just looked at 20k hands at zone , losing to rake . im playing 24% hands at the most and paying 9.6bb/100. so its unbeatable and the site is definitley running bots to generate rake. so technically i was right. its rigged.

also Mzbourg if only you had a bankroll as high as your post count. do you even play poker bro? you know they make forums for regular people to like reddit. you would fit in really well or maybe 4chan.

Yikes if true. 888 poker have a similar rake but there's like zero regs so the rake is beatable, if ignition is as hard as stars/party while having that rake then it's definitely not playable.

well whats weird is 5nl regular cash tables are as soft as you would expect them to be but when you go to zone thats when you start to see alot of 3betting out of the SB and proper c betting in position and bet sizing to deny equity in zone format with no reads and whats makes it so confusing. like a standard weak bot.

id bet my life bovada has bots in that game generating rake. you still have the 5nl players there so it seems crushable but then ive realized that the other 25 players are bots.

also strange is im losing massive from the button also small and BB ( rake im guessing and maybe bots ) . but im actually profiting decent from middle position which makes me wonder if it is bots are they programmed bots to think you have a tighter range from middle positions and fold to cbets more.

actually i did the math wrong last time , its actually 10.7 bb/100 lol

Why don't you make a vid of you playing a sesh and link it on here so we can all watch and see if you have any bad leaks in your game before you accuse players of cheating. Cheating def going on with online and live poker. I can spot it and i just leave the table and go to another one instead of trying to battle with them. YOur playing zone so its less likely then regular tables. I sit reg tables so I can pay attention to whats going on with the table and if i can find cheaters i mark them certain color never sit their tables again. My guess is that you might have a few leaks you need fixed in your game and if you can't make vids post hands where your not sure if you played a hand well or not.

im not wasting more of my time on zone , i keep having to reiterate im not playing 5nl because i have to , i could deposit and play 5/10 if i wanted to and thought my money was safe there. i play live mostly but wanting to play online more.

im not doing a video but ill post 20k zone hands ( the ones i havent purged from pt4) and 20k from reg tables. in a little bit. im crushing reg tables couldnt do much more than break even at best at zone. ( now i know mostly because of rake) and i suspect bots during certian hours when player pool has died out.

Hahahahahhhahahahahahahaha

The Zone games are literally some of the softest I've played in in my 10 years playing online.

your more than welcome to prove it? graph?

New zone 5 fish here. Hoping to continue to crush you all. Gotta stop playing on my phone though they put the doom switch on when I’m playing on the toilet.

Saw your ******ed post in the Iggy thread...



I'd post a graph but HM isn't on this computer and this image is. The game isn't exactly difficult if you don't suck.

+1

Travelling overseas atm, but can post one when I get back.

Why do you call the tiny flop bet and check the turn? Did you think you were being clever by doing that?

Then when you shove over his massive river overbet for 250bb, you always have a higher set. This is never a bluff and not even 2 pair.

I get the point you're making - I would expect a fish to call with bottom set here. But you got what you deserved for playing the hand so poorly.

Would be hard to play the hand as bad as you did.

thats run good , but ill bite .what stakes is this . i specifically said 5nl. the rake is ******ed. also look at your showdown win. your a fish on a heater. im crushing reg tables so im fine.

That is $5nl because it's what you were talking about. I made ~8bb/100 over ~250k hands at $25 and I think 12bb+ is possible there had I always played my A-game.

You're cute.

Thread just got so much better with some of my best friends posting here.

You're just really terrible at poker, stick to your live games.

Bump for graph or stats or whatever.

seems that we can't find a single winning player who is willing to show his graph.

I think that site is just a scam. withdraw your money and play on stars.

Lol I’m at I think 18 bb/100 over 10k hands but I’m not playing 5 anymore and not enough sample to post a pic.

Site definitely beatable

I call bull**** on this. Micro stakes rake is notoriously high, there were 2+ short stackers on every table and the average vpip would be best guess less than 10%. You can’t win anything if nobody wants to play a hand post flop and in them off chance they do it’s 30% psb in ****ing micro stakes!

200z has more action than micro stakes zone. 2019 for you though

I played about 2,000 hands so far. 9 flush draws on flop to river, 20 on turn, only 1 made flush draw on river out of 29.

Aces dealt 12 times 4 times no flop, 2 times coolered bad beat net -EV.

I can go on, but it is quite uncanny how difficult it is to get any value off of anything. and am constantly forced to bluff with air while they are landing the most improbably runner runner and always on the top of their range.

They most be house bots I don't know how u can nit it up this much and survive the blinds/rake unless you are free-rolling.

Here's my update on the BS that is bovada zone. Can't get paid more than 4bb value bet without letting the monkey draw out on me and run into the nuts everytime with bluffs, that have 0 equity on river. Statistically I should hit a flush about 34% with 2 cards on the flop and 19% on the turn. Yet after chasing 23 flush draws I only hit two flushes on the river!! And can't even make money with aces, with these ridiculous runouts and the nits (likely colluders paying the blinds to each other). Site is a scam. Here is some proof.

Aces rigged, https://imgur.com/a/KZtutzR
Flushes rigged, https://imgur.com/a/uMsDOR9

My guess it's a lot of colluders paying the blinds to each other, they don't lose money when they don't even see a flop. It is insanely hard to value bet these guy without giving them INSANE odds to draw out on you. In general, if you bet more than 1/3 of the pot they fold unless they have you beat. But if you bet 1/3 they can call with any 20% gutter trash for breakeven.