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10-01-2018 , 06:55 AM

samesame

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2018 Posts: 17

1. What do you think about my line?
2. Do you prefer a 4 bet with my aks?

Thanks

888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 85.8 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 6)
UTG: 138.4 BB (VPIP: 21.75, PFR: 9.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.29, Hands: 2,036)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 12.89, 3Bet Preflop: 3.50, Hands: 452)
Hero (CO): 105.2 BB
BTN: 120.8 BB (VPIP: 22.50, PFR: 6.79, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 283)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 6.06, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10 BB, BB calls 9 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

Flop: (30 BB, 3 players) K

SB bets 15 BB, fold, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (60 BB, 2 players) 7

SB checks, Hero bets 40 BB, SB raises to 75 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 35 BB

River: (210 BB, 2 players) 2

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10-01-2018 , 03:16 PM

crow27

adept

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 975

4 bet to $1.50 and fold to a 5 bet. About the only other way I can see to play it

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10-01-2018 , 11:58 PM

Havick

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 395

Never 4!'ing This villain. 6% vpip and he's 3! here. Which means he's at the tippy-top of his range.

Imo villain is always ahead here because he has exactly AA or KK because of pre action.

Against a different villain with a wider open/3! range you can occasionally 4! But I'm not a fan of making it standard.

AP you could even fold turn against this villain. What is villain really c/jamming here? 99 flats pre. 2p is basically out because of action pre. KQ-K10 also flats villain folds <=K9. NFD? Not a rock move, imo.

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10-02-2018 , 04:30 PM

crow27

adept

Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 975

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Originally Posted by Havick

6% vpip in 33 hand sample don't mean sh_t. Sorry, but that's just the truth. Ive had 0% vpip and ive had 70%+ vpip in 33 hand samples. The flop is fine, No opinion. The turn can be debated until we turn blue in the face, and neither of us may be wrong.

My point was you should narrow v range as much as possible. I don't think a 3 bet from 33 hand sampled villian does that. By taking a 4 bet/fold line preflop, you narrow v range down to basically QQ+ and AK for a large % of the population. I know AKs looks pretty, but against a very narrow range, AKs is not a hand I'm going to go crazy with. That may be something OP needs to realize and work on.

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10-03-2018 , 11:43 AM

recondite7

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 1,971

As played I do not like the size of the turn bet at all. I doubt we are getting bluff checkraised here so you can bet something like 1/3 pot to price out the draws while still being able to fold to a check raise all in. You are effectively shoving here with your current bet and that is not good.

I would check back the turn and probably call a moderate river bet most of the time. If the river is checked back to you go for value.

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10-04-2018 , 10:09 PM

WorldzMine

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,604

Almost never cc a 3bet. 4bet or fold and folding isn't an option unless a nit w/ like a 1% 3-bet percentage just made the 3bet.

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10-20-2018 , 05:19 AM

Oregon Rick

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 770

Maybe this is a bit nitty, but I would prefer to take villain's stats as if he is a real nit here and fold to the preflop 3bet.
If villain's stats are close to accurate, I would expect QQ to be the worst hand in villain's range.
If I were going to call a suited connector against this villain, I'd prefer it to be one like 78s, so I always know exactly where I stand in the hand, and I have the potential to stack him.
I think AKs is dominated here far too often.

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10-25-2018 , 11:20 AM

RoyalRumble

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 382

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Originally Posted by crow27

6% vpip in 33 hand sample don't mean sh_t. Sorry, but that's just the truth. Ive had 0% vpip and ive had 70%+ vpip in 33 hand samples.

It's not conclusive but its enough to rule out him being a maniac and significantly increase the chance he is pretty tight. Its not like we're talking about a 5 hand sample.

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10-27-2018 , 06:23 AM

nonsimplesimon

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 10,011

I've been told that calling to chop is a losing play but I've seen plenty of chops in this spot.

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10-29-2018 , 10:09 AM

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OneBuyIn

stranger

Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 12

If I was re-popped after raising, I would be looking for two pair or better. AK has been one of those hands that if you put too much stock into them without much equity, you'll lose a lot.

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