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5nl: JJ in MP, ok to fold here? 5nl: JJ in MP, ok to fold here?

01-21-2018 , 07:34 PM
I play on Ignition and do not have HM2 yet so sorry for the text for the hand.

P1(UTG) $1.86 - VP:50 PFR:0 AF:1.0 W:100|0 STL: 3B:0| CB: N:-1.14 Hands:4
P2(MP) $1.82 - VP:16 PFR:4 AF:3.0 W:20|0 STL:0|100 3B:0| CB:0|100 N:-0.68 Hands:25
P3(MP) $5.03 - VP:60 PFR:40 AF:0.5 W:60|67 STL:|0 3B:33|0 CB:0|0 N:3.06 Hands:10
Hero(MP) $5.53 - VP:12 PFR:12 AF:Inf. W:13|0 STL:100| 3B:6| CB:100| N:-3.22 Hands:42

P5(LP) $4.74 - VP:5 PFR:0 AF: W:0| STL:0|100 3B:0| CB: N:-0.26 Hands:20
P6(CO) $4.93 - VP:0 PFR:0 AF: W: STL: 3B:0| CB: N:-0.07 Hands:4
P7(BTN) $4.94 - VP:11 PFR:6 AF:0 W:57|75 STL:0|100 3B:9| CB:0|100 N:2.67 Hands:35
P8(SB) $10.23 - VP:50 PFR:8 AF:3.3 W:50|50 STL:50|100 3B:0|100 CB:0|100 N:5.74 Hands:36
P9(BB) $2.09 - VP:50 PFR:33 AF:Inf. W:71|60 STL:100| 3B:0|0 CB:0| N:-0.46 Hands:12


Pre Flop: Hero(MP) with [Jc,Js]
P1(UTG) folds, P2(MP) folds, P3(MP) raises 0.18, Hero(MP) raises 0.80, P5(LP) folds, P6(CO) folds, P7(BTN) folds, P8(SB) folds, P9(BB) folds, P3(MP) calls 0.62

Flop: (Td,2d,2h) (2 players)
P3(EP) checks, Hero(LP) bets 0.83, P3(EP) calls 0.83

Turn: 8h (2 players)
P3(EP) checks, Hero(LP) bets 1.66, P3(EP) calls 1.66

River: Ac (2 players)
P3(EP) bets 1.74
Hero ?
5nl: JJ in MP, ok to fold here? Quote
01-22-2018 , 03:29 AM
We're rarely good here, but we don't have to win very often to call at the great odds offered; I don't think it matters too much to your bottom line either way.

The thing to take away from this hand is that you should have been all-in OTT against a player shaping up to be fishy, and not had this decision to make. It's harder to track without a proper HH giving pot sizes, but given that you made a 16bb 3bet and we're 100bb effective it should be very easy to get all the money in OTT without overbetting.
5nl: JJ in MP, ok to fold here? Quote
01-22-2018 , 11:49 AM
Thank you for the reply.
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01-25-2018 , 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Useful_Idiot
We're rarely good here, but we don't have to win very often to call at the great odds offered; I don't think it matters too much to your bottom line either way.

The thing to take away from this hand is that you should have been all-in OTT against a player shaping up to be fishy, and not had this decision to make. It's harder to track without a proper HH giving pot sizes, but given that you made a 16bb 3bet and we're 100bb effective it should be very easy to get all the money in OTT without overbetting.
^^^^ dig this advice!

Ap super gross spot. Dont think I feel like calling as despite the ace a fish's call call donk is pretty strong. I would fold in play personally but I am unsure if that's "correct " - I can cmfirm it totally sucks though. : ( yeah lets gii ott!

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01-25-2018 , 09:35 AM
By my calculations you have to be ahead 18% + rake to b/e here, I just don’t think you are. I’d assume any unknown players to be passive fish.

You could look into how vulnerable jj is to river cards given some range ideas to see if half pot was right long term. I don’t think it was necessarily wrong. But I’d certainly be betting bigger, and very likely given pot size it’d be all in most of the time.

The reasons being I think he can call a lot with worse hands. You might even get calls from nut fd’s. I’d imagine all 10x hands will come along. If I thought V was likely to fold lots of tp and fd hands to an all in but call vs other bet sizes I’d do that. Probably 60-70% of the pot. But with the lack of hands here and potential fishy nature I wouldn’t be able to make that assessment.

Against a reasonable range with FD’s on the turn you’re at 84%;

(Equity, Win, Tie)
Player 1: 84.9% 84.9% 0% [JcJs]
Player 2: 15.1% 15.1% 0% {TT-22, ATs, AdJd, Ad9d, KTs, KdJd+, QTs, QdJd, JTs, Jd9d, T8s+, 9d8d, 8d7d, 7d6d, AQo-ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, T9o}

Board: [Td 2d 2h 8h ?]
Deal To: River
Dead Cards: {}


Monte Carlo Simulation: 500000 trials

As played I’m folding the river, it’s horrible.


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