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01-21-2018 , 06:43 PM
I think pre is a standard open even though I have no info on two new players behind me.

Is the flop CB ok?

After the 8 drops I felt that I could still get value from fd's and some worse J's. When the 2 drops on the river i'm secure in thinking that im not behind AQ. KQ still seems possible as well as J10, J9 and a % of 8x that might slow play though I think most players would raise a large amount of those on the turn. I decide to CB the river here because few players at this level few players bluff rivers and worse J's will likely check through. This is purely a b/f line.

Its not often I think I can get 3 streets of value from a hand this marginal, just after some thoughts long term?

888 Poker - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP+2): 111.2 BB
CO: 107.6 BB (VPIP: 13.89, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
BTN: 74 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
SB: 101 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.83, PFR: 10.64, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 94)
UTG: 145.2 BB (VPIP: 14.06, PFR: 10.94, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 64)
UTG+1: 100 BB (VPIP: 9.28, PFR: 7.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 97)
MP: 121 BB (VPIP: 13.11, PFR: 10.12, 3Bet Preflop: 3.40, Hands: 3,545)
MP+1: 116.8 BB (VPIP: 46.51, PFR: 9.30, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 43)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (12 BB, 4 players) 8 J 3
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7.6 BB, BTN calls 7.6 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (27.2 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 15.4 BB, BTN calls 15.4 BB

River: (58 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 43.4 BB, BTN ?
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01-23-2018 , 10:35 AM
When you bet like tht for three streets do you think a worse hnd is calling? You should expect to get owned a fair bit of the time with a better kicker.

I would probably check the turn and hope he bets with a wide range. When you call he has you likely beat when he bets a second time otr.

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01-23-2018 , 10:48 AM
I'm saying he's probably a fish because he short stacked. but I think we can give him a reasonable range of AQ, KQ, JTs, J9s, 9Ts, 89s, 33, 99, TT, and probably quite a few Acxc FD. Going for some thin value I think is ok considering there's missed draws and we have top 3 kicker. I would bet quite as high as you did but maybe 1/2 pot or a little less. Less if you're trying to get value from a worse jack/ lower pocket pair.

EDIT: WOULDN'T bet quite as high as you did. ofc fold to a river raise.
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01-24-2018 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Kounterfit
I'm saying he's probably a fish because he short stacked. but I think we can give him a reasonable range of AQ, KQ, JTs, J9s, 9Ts, 89s, 33, 99, TT, and probably quite a few Acxc FD. Going for some thin value I think is ok considering there's missed draws and we have top 3 kicker. I would bet quite as high as you did but maybe 1/2 pot or a little less. Less if you're trying to get value from a worse jack/ lower pocket pair.

EDIT: WOULDN'T bet quite as high as you did. ofc fold to a river raise.
If villain is a fish he will have a much wider range than above imo. Fish love any two suited cards, any Ace.

Meh. I think I check turn and bet fold river.. I can’t see even the worst fish calling three streets with say 99 or TT..
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01-26-2018 , 09:51 AM
Good flop bet. Size up to 10-11bb, on a draw heavy board, in a multiway pot.

Good turn bet. We play perfect vs flush draws, T9, and worse.

Check river with the intention of calling. Villain wont have many worse hands that are willing to call a 3rd bullet. Opponent will have many missed flush draws, that would fold to a bet, but can take a shot at stealing the pot when checked to.

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I decide to CB the river here because few players at this level few players bluff rivers and worse J's will likely check through.
Opponent wont have many worse jacks, maybe JT, but everything else will fold preflop more often than not.

With only a pot sized bet behind, after calling two streets, with a flush draw, opponents will try to steal this pot more often than your giving them credit. Especially when they start the hand with 74BB.

Last edited by Mike MacIntosh; 01-26-2018 at 09:56 AM.
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01-27-2018 , 06:59 PM
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Good flop bet. Size up to 10-11bb, on a draw heavy board, in a multiway pot.

Good turn bet. We play perfect vs flush draws, T9, and worse.

Check river with the intention of calling. Villain wont have many worse hands that are willing to call a 3rd bullet. Opponent will have many missed flush draws, that would fold to a bet, but can take a shot at stealing the pot when checked to.
That's it!
CBet, 2nd Barrel to get money of many draws, check to induced missed draws.
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01-29-2018 , 09:07 AM
Thanks all!


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02-02-2018 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by XChrisCubeX
That's it!
CBet, 2nd Barrel to get money of many draws, check to induced missed draws.
This is my default.

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