No Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02
Winning Poker Network
6 players
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Stacks:
BTN - BTN ($1.00)
SB - SB ($1.48) (38/8 over 37 hands *small sample size)
BB - BB ($1.49)
MP - MP ($1.20)
CO - Hero ($2.07)
BB - BB ($1.00)

Preflop: ($0.06, 6 players) Hero is CO with K Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, SB calls $0.09, 1 fold

Flop: K 9 3 ($0.40, 3 players)
SB bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, 1 fold

Turn: 3 ($0.74, 2 players)
SB bets $0.33, Hero raises to $1.80 (all-in), SB calls $0.88 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $0.59 returned to Hero

River: T ($3.16, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $3.16
SB shows K A (with Two pairs. Ks and 3s (kicker A))
Hero shows K Q (with Two pairs. Ks and 3s)

SB wins $2.96 with Two pairs. Ks and 3s (kicker A)


Just curious about the line here wondering if I overplayed KQo here. When he leads flop I'm putting him on a hand with the Ac, that most likely has a pair here. Ultimately some % of the time hes gunna have AK here but I thought he would be more likely to raise that pre so I put a little less weight there. Is it too ambitious to think that he could also be leading here with KJ/KT with the club? Maybe 2p specifically K9 looking to protect which obviously has us beat atm? My thinking on the turn is if this player has Ax with a club here and is attempting to set his own price he's certainly going to call a raise. Is that enough to warrant a raise here? If he bets the river should I be folding? Holding the Qc we block hands that would most likely call a raise pre and have flopped the flush such as QJ QT AQ however smaller flopped flushes are definitely still possible here and they would certainly go for 3 streets of value. Do we stand to make a more EV play by flatting the turn and folding to a shove/checking back if he checks back. Would there be merit to a thin value bet? If he has A9 with the Ac he would likely call a small bet as would a KJ/KT with a club. We lose to AK/A3 and made flushes but A3 and flopped flushes likely wont be deciding to check river at this point. If he shoves were pretty priced in though we'll probably never be ahead. Let me know what you guys think just trying to look at the hand from all angles.

What is wrong with a flat call in this position? Although a shove does knock some bluffs out as well as a few low pairs, I think we're always going to get called with Ac like you said. With a call we go to the river and get a free card and from there I think we have to decide if we want to shove with KQo. I would probably shove on the turn with KQo but that's just me.

My thinking was along the lines of if we call turn and he shoves river we're in a pretty tough spot. If we're going to make that river call then we might as well charge the max for when he has the Ac draw and we eliminate him putting us in a tough spot with either that or potentially a worse king. I'd have to think with his stack size his decision on the river will always be all-in or check. Lets say I check-call and fold on the river when I don't hit a Q and he goes all in or when he checks I can either go for thin value/take my showdown value. In this type of situation do I stand to make more money by taking a more passive line? Over time by always taking the more passive line I will be much easier to play against. Does this matter as much at such a low stake? Maybe the best approach is to do a bit of both in the long term but as a standard play is the more passive line more likely to be +EV do you think?

Also forgot to mention that this is a short table on ACR. On these tables the max buy in is only 50BB. Playing such a game type does this make it more worthwhile to make the shove on the turn?

IMO 4xBB raise preflop, why 5?

Your hand is not a monster, why shove the turn?
By shoving the turn, you only get called by better hands, while the hands you beat fold.

Pot control always in these occasions and he gives you the chance to do so.

I would call the turn and fold to an All-In in the river or call if he bets again 1/3 pot

My reasoning for shoving the turn was because I was targeting AcX type of hands. Vil is a fish who is calling large raises so I 5x here to maximize value as KQo should be fairly ahead of his calling range. Do you not expect Ac with a pair on the board to snap off an all in here? If we're not getting called by those hands then the ship on the turn is absolutely setting $ on fire I agree.

There were also other players behind you. How did you know that he would call, so as to raise 5xBB ?

No, I don't see AcX to go All-In. They are usually too afraid to do so.

Not even if they have a pair on the board? Genuinely curious. As far as the sizing. There was 1.5 bb of dead money posted by the guy to my left. Also that player to my left was fishy. We can't forget that we will be out of position to them. Because of the post I'd expect the poster to continue a fair amount wider due to him already have 1.5 bbs in the pot in plus the money from the blinds. If they are going to call wider why not punish them with a range that's going to be pretty far ahead of their calling range. Really the large open raise was purely a value sized range. I would be doing this with stronger hands in the exact spot as well.

You're right. Haven't seen the dead money.

Yeah the way the hand converted it didn't make that post to my left very clear.

Like the others said, you shouldn't have turned KQo into a bluff. Also when posting these hands, don't show the result because it skews our perspective.
The line I would take is call, call, call/fold