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25NL Call 3x PSB on river w/ Nut blocker? 25NL Call 3x PSB on river w/ Nut blocker?

08-17-2019 , 07:44 PM
So it's ignition so no real reads. First 3ish orbits and I've been smacked with the deck. I'm playing about 50% of hands. No big reads on villain seems like a standard Tagish typer person. But again 20ish hands in.

Crazy river bet. Super polarizing and I'm not sure if I would expect people to do this w/ a Q high flush.

Anyone calling here?

[converted_hand][hand_history]IPoker, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 7 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BB: $43.65 (174.6 bb)
UTG+2: $25 (100 bb)
MP1: $38.63 (154.5 bb)
MP2: $35.66 (142.6 bb)
MP3: $41.55 (166.2 bb)
CO: $17.77 (71.1 bb)
Hero (BTN): $54.49 (218 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A Q
3 folds, MP3 raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 5 A T (3 players)
BB checks, MP3 bets $1.61, Hero calls $1.61, BB folds

Turn: ($5.47) 2 (2 players)
MP3 bets $3.90, Hero calls $3.90

River: ($13.27) 8 (2 players)
MP3 bets $35.29 and is all-in, Hero?
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08-17-2019 , 07:49 PM
Just some info.

Pre for me I 3! Probably 75% of the time but figured I wouldn't get much respect given how I've been playing.

Flop I almost raised but this deep getting b/3b would leave me lost.

So I wound up taking this slightly underrepped passive line
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08-18-2019 , 01:52 PM
Presumably you can't use tracking software on ignition?

This would be an expensive call to find out if he's bluffing. Just fold and make a note.
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08-18-2019 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by giant sand
Presumably you can't use tracking software on ignition?
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Correct, no tracking software also notes don't carry forward to future sessions. So making notes for "long term" is useless.

That said I know there are people who use tracking software and huds, but even then it's only good for the specific session as there are no unique player IDs. Just seat 1-9. So doing this only gives you data from the current session.
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08-18-2019 , 06:48 PM
I'm a fold. You have trips. flush as well as AK to worry about.
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08-18-2019 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bkarp3
I'm a fold. You have trips. flush as well as AK to worry about.
If AQ is a fold then jamming AK (non-flush) is completely torching money. I feel trips are the same thought.

0% chance villains range is merged here. It's either a flush or I'm good. The question is would he do this with J high flush, or even Q high?
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08-18-2019 , 07:14 PM
So you can't even make notes on specific players on Ignition because you don't know who they are?

Re the specific hand - you're losing to way too much to contemplate calling. I suppose he may be bluffing with his missed straight draw (KQ/KJ) but that seems unlikely, esp at NL25.
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08-18-2019 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by giant sand
So you can't even make notes on specific players on Ignition because you don't know who they are?

Re the specific hand - you're losing to way too much to contemplate calling. I suppose he may be bluffing with his missed straight draw (KQ/KJ) but that seems unlikely, esp at NL25.
What non-flush hands do I lose to that shove river here?

Doesn't his shove severely narrow his range? I mean on turn his range is wide and there are numerous value hands I lose to. But once he shoves river don't all of those value hands like AK, AT, 55, drop out of his range?
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08-18-2019 , 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by giant sand
So you can't even make notes on specific players on Ignition because you don't know who they are?
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Correct
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08-18-2019 , 07:49 PM
Also to me this is a clear fold with any other combo of AQ with no Ad.
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08-20-2019 , 12:44 PM
Ok so looks like 2 of 2 say it's a fold.

I just felt at the time it was much closer that it looked on paper.

Essentially I need to be good 43% of the time here to make the call profitable. I don't quite know if I'm good that often, but was curious if he polarized his range so much that we might be cracking that 43% range (specially when we hold the Ad).
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08-20-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero

Essentially I need to be good 43% of the time here to make the call profitable.
This is another reason why i think it's a fold. i don't think this is a bluff 50 per cent of the time, especially at micro stakes.
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08-21-2019 , 01:09 AM
Guess I got lucky. I called and he had 44
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08-25-2019 , 07:30 PM
snap fold we hold the Ad which is a card he might use to bluff with, also we dont need to defend much vs such a large sizing. I would just call with my flushes here
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08-27-2019 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
snap fold we hold the Ad which is a card he might use to bluff with, also we dont need to defend much vs such a large sizing. I would just call with my flushes here
Holding the Ad make this closer to a call than if we didn't have Ad

When the flush gets there we want to have blockers to the flush.
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08-27-2019 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
Holding the Ad make this closer to a call than if we didn't have Ad



When the flush gets there we want to have blockers to the flush.


It’s goes both ways

(Only if he turn weak AXdy into a bluff)
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