So this table was extremely loose passive except 1 person who happens to be Villain. He was basically the only respectable player and generally we were avoiding each other.

So thoughts on the line?

I am opening here UTG because how extremely soft the rest of the table is.

Im just new to the game myself, but i think you gotta make the call with the flush

What is he raising on the river? I assume just flushes. I would be amazed if you ran this spot 20k times at these stakes and someone bluffed AdXo more than 2 times. So I don't see really any bluffs.

So what flushes can he have playing 25 vpip over 150 hands?

The ones we lose to. Lots of Ax, AQ, A5, an AT that didn't raise the flop?
Some hands like KQ probably not many more Kings, maybe KT that just flatted.
Maybe QT that didn't raise flop.

Ok so now the hands we beat...
76, probably raising turn when he spikes the nuts
T7 (playing that pre to utg open, the flatting flop)?
Maybe 57 but doubtful

Hands he's probably not playing
25, 72, T2, T5, Qx not mentioned, Kx not mentioned

So if we assume the hands like Tx or 76 we hear from sooner than river, let's just give those 1/2 combination. That means there are 4.5 combos of hands we lose to and 1.5 hands we beat. We are getting about 3:1 on a call. So it seems super boarder line and I feel if you tighten up his preflop range a little it cuts down on hands we beat like T7 and 57 that we want in his range.

Not to mention some people just call the river with low flushes given that I didn't slow down and we have 1.4 buyins behind.

It's a horrible spot - I think you're probably beat. Is he really raising baby flushes smaller than Jd9d on the river?

Your line seems fine

Anyone a fan of bombing turn for $12-$15?

It ran through my head in real time.

no, smaller than you made it so you can bet wider
flushes bet river bigger

I assume we are sizing down on the river to value bet more than just flushes, so I doubt we can fold the 4th nuts to a raise. That said this hand started multiway so it's hard to imagine him showing up with worse. Maybe bet a little bigger OTR and then fold.

This is a reason to open much tighter than normal OOP, definitely not looser. There's no way to generate an "edge" with a weak range OOP of multiple preflop callers. Their combined equity absolutely overwhelms yours and you can't "make up for it" with FE.

AP, you check range on that flop, and checkraise your specific holding most of the times.

No matter how you play flop, check call the turn. River's also a check call.

All his worse flushes are going to call a bet and most of his other worse hands will check back. It's also pretty hard for him to have many missed draws left so we are just hoping he turns a pair into a bluff? River is a pretty clear bet as played.

Having just played in that level recently, I saw people do all kinds of overreactions and other strange things with two pair, straights, and low flushes. I know you are beat most of the time, just not certain it's more than 75% of the time. What's nagging at me is the 3-1 to call. Perhaps my doubts are because I didn't learn to respect villain like you did through experience. But, perhaps your right, better to fold than to call when your not sure.

Note: Don't feel there is any reason to listen to me. I don't know what I'm doing, just like to try to learn through discussion.

There aren't many worse flushes though, and the positions make it less likely they have the few available.

Exactly tossing hands in many marginal situations is zero EV compared to making hugely - EV calling mistakes.

Fold pre

Good fold OTR

I think the flop bet is a mess. I rather check raising flop and x/c OTT and OTR

Avoid these shitty spots by just folding pre.