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Old 05-17-2017, 07:38 PM   #1
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25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Alright so this hand played out today, as you can see the 3 bettor is a NIT so overpairs are a big part of his range my only worry was how to get the money in. It turned out ok but I am interested is raising the flop better play here?


partypoker - $0.25 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 99.6 BB
UTG: 146 BB
UTG+1: 178.8 BB
MP: 102.68 BB
MP+1: 185.68 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 160.72 BB
SB: 100.4 BB (VPIP:9, PFR: 4, 3Bet Preflop: 0, Hands: 24)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB raises to 10.4 BB, fold, Hero calls 7.4 BB

Flop: (21.8 BB, 2 players) 9 T 8
SB bets 12.4 BB, Hero calls 12.4 BB

Turn: (46.6 BB, 2 players) 2
SB bets 25.6 BB, Hero raises to 77.2 BB and is all-in, SB calls 51.6 BB

River: (201 BB, 2 players) 5

SB shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 77%, Flop 27%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows 9 8 (Two Pair, Nines and Eights)
(Pre 23%, Flop 73%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins 190.96 BB
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:47 PM   #2
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Raising flop is best since it is unlikely they have a set and you therefore have better equity vs their range. In general if I know someone is a huge nit I will raise my 2pair+ on flop
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Old 05-17-2017, 09:38 PM   #3
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

JJ+ will probably call your flop raise. I'd get the money in on the flop vs nit. Although I'm not sure I'd call the 3bet preflop vs that NIT. But sample is small.
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Old 05-18-2017, 12:46 AM   #4
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Your play is fine.

1. Versus nits, sometimes you get extra more value by raising the turn. Some nits are really tight and will fold the flop or will call then fold to a turn bet.

2. If you raise all your sets and two pairs on the flop, then it caps your range when you don't raise the flop. Smart opponents may pick up on this.
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Old 05-19-2017, 11:59 AM   #5
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

24 hands is probably not enough to call someone a nit.

If they really were a nit, I'd have strongly considered folding to the 3 bet.

Post flop the line is fine. Mild temptation to raise the flop, but you want AK to barrel, and its actually easier to get the raise called on a nothing turn card because your semi bluffs would have one fewer street of outs for villain to worry about.

Villain himself has straight outs in his range, so I don't like flatting again.
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Old 05-19-2017, 12:03 PM   #6
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Both plays are fine, raising flop or calling, no big difference, you have a huge positional advantage.
If you feel uncomfortable about your turn+river skills, raise flop, if you are endboss, call flop to play some later streets poker
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Old 05-22-2017, 08:25 AM   #7
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

why not to call flop???? he is probably going to get in his overpairs. also there is chance he is going to cbet ott with Axs...
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Old 05-25-2017, 10:49 AM   #8
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Fold pre on his 3bet. Calling flop is fine as played.
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Old 05-25-2017, 02:17 PM   #9
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

I don't really agree with the fold pre here. If there is a hand you want to play in position vs a 3bet, it should be something like a suited connector. The hands you should be folding are at the non suited ones like 9To and perhaps even stronger ones like QTo.
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Old 05-28-2017, 03:25 PM   #10
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Re: 25 NL two pair in a 3 bet pot OTB vs NIT

Calling this preflop is fine in position. Without more history on villain cbet stats hard to really be unhappy with post flop play
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