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200NL, Jiggities, MW, IP, tough turn spot 200NL, Jiggities, MW, IP, tough turn spot

03-13-2021 , 06:10 AM
200NL
7 handed

V1 125.56BB: LJ, only 4 hands in, 3bet AKo from blinds, no other info.
V2 38.40BB: CO, played 32 hands with villain. 59/44/12.5. Only note is they donked flop with second pair into two people.
Hero 98.5BB: BTN. JJ

Hand

fold, fold, V1 2.5BB, fold, V2 call 2.5BB, Hero 3bet 12BB, blinds fold, V1 call, V2 call.

Flop 37.5BB A7K

V1 check, V2 check, Hero - this flop hits my range so good but if I cbet what is calling that doesn't beat me? maybe some draws.
Hero checks.

Turn 37.5BB A7K 2

V1 check, V2 check, Hero - now with all my hands that hit this flop I would want to get some money in the middle and deny someone with the A. Since everyone has just been checking I don't think I need to put in much.
Hero bets 11BB.

V1 calls, V2 rips allin with 26.40BB, Hero - it's only 15.4BB more for a pot that'll be around 100bigs if I call. Even if they're bluffing with the A I'm way behind and there is still another person to act.
Hero ?
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03-14-2021 , 01:07 AM
I think I fold just because V1 called. He has the Ah or Qh. V2 prolly hit 2pair. If V1 folds then I continue. Tricky hand cuz you are getting amazing odds but your hand is dead vs their two ranges combined.
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03-14-2021 , 07:41 AM
I'm folding also. I think your analysis was good, humanlab. I try to keep in mind what kind of hand I'm trying to build with my starting cards. With JJ, I'm looking for an overpair or trips, obviously. You don't have that. That is Level 1 thinking. What do I have? I don't have the type of hand that I want, in order to put a ton of money into the pot. I'm not trying to get pot committed by getting 40% of my stack involved with 3rd pair on a flushed board, multiway, on the Turn.

Level 2 thinking is what do I think they have? I know we are supposed to think in terms of ranges, but we can't ignore what the action is telling us. The action helps us narrow the range estimates. They are both continuing versus your bet. They both have something they like. Your bet ... you were representing the flush. That didn't deter the other players. Best case scenario they are both drawing to a flush and you have the only made hand. 1) that is unlikely. One or both of them probably already has a made hand that beats you, either an Ace, a King or a Flush. 2) Worst case scenario is that you are drawing dead, and I think that is actually the more likely scenario.

When I have the lead, like you did in this hand, I'll usually try to make 1 attempt to take the pot down. You did that. It didn't work. I think you can let it go.

GL, Magnum
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03-15-2021 , 09:51 PM
Thanks for the input. After the hand I too felt that it was a fold. In the moment I called with the intention of folding to a jam from V1 (and check folding most rivers). I felt that getting such good odds and V2 being a 59/44 that there might be hands there that I beat.
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03-16-2021 , 12:05 PM
You are not wrong about the odds being favorable. The complication is the other player still being alive and the board being ugly and not being sure if your redraw is any good. A call is reasonable too. I'm just saying what I think I would have done.
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