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10-01-2018 , 08:19 AM

Mr.FlyingDutchman

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Hi gyus, what do you think about this hand?

I feel like I should've folded on the TURN, but
considering the result of the hand I'm totally confused.

BTN: 459 BB
SB: 127.5 BB
BB: 218 BB
UTG: 72 BB
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 109 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q

fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN raises to 10 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero checks, BTN bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

Turn: (51.5 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, BTN bets 35.5 BB, Hero calls 35.5 BB

River: (122.5 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, BTN checks

Hero shows Q

(One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 34%, Flop 51%, Turn 70%)
BTN mucks A

(High Card, Ace)
(Pre 66%, Flop 49%, Turn 30%)
Hero wins 118 BB

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10-01-2018 , 08:23 AM

Ojune

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do you think your hand is strong or weak on the turn?

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10-01-2018 , 08:27 AM

Mr.FlyingDutchman

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I think my hand is weak, but I still can hit it on the river, but I don't think I should be calling this big of a bet

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10-01-2018 , 08:32 AM

Ojune

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do you think you will have a better hand to call with very often?

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10-01-2018 , 08:40 AM

ChipsNcrisps

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you have a monster hand sir

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10-01-2018 , 08:41 AM

cHiLiTiLT

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I bet that if he were to pile the rest of his 50BB in your face on the non-heart river, you would have snap-folded and definitely would NOT have gone on the forums, posting this hand and asking "should I have called?".

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10-01-2018 , 09:01 AM

Mr.FlyingDutchman

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Originally Posted by Ojune

do you think you will have a better hand to call with very often?

I have QQ, JJ, AJ, and I also have some other flush draws, yea maybe this hand isn't that bad to call but I probbaly can't fold the river then

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Originally Posted by ChipsNcrisps

you have a monster hand sir

Do I? I gues that's a strong hand, but the line that he took makes me feel like he has JJ+ here

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Originally Posted by cHiLiTiLT

I gues not cause I was a bit tilted, I would probbaly fold on the turn If I was playing my "A-game"

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10-01-2018 , 09:39 AM

DarkwingDuck

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Originally Posted by Mr.FlyingDutchman

Do I? I gues that's a strong hand, but the line that he took makes me feel like he has JJ+ here

Well let's say Villain only have JJ+ here, which gives you a 29% equity on the turn, but with 35.5bb to call into a 87bb pot we need about 40% for it to be +EV. But then we can add some implied odds for when we hit a J or Q or the flush, Which I think makes the turn call alright.

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10-01-2018 , 09:44 AM

cHiLiTiLT

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Originally Posted by Mr.FlyingDutchman

I gues not cause I was a bit tilted, I would probbaly fold on the turn If I was playing my "A-game"

You aren't making sense. You have 14 outs in that spot, the world's fair. Even if you're behind an overpair, you're breaking even just by x/c a sub-pot sized bet OTT like a station. Please close this thread, learn some math and move on, thanks.

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10-01-2018 , 09:47 AM

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cHiLiTiLT

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Originally Posted by DarkwingDuck

with 35.5bb to call into a 87bb pot we need about 40% for it to be +EV

29%. 35.5 / (87 + 35.5) = 0.29

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10-01-2018 , 09:51 AM

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DarkwingDuck

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Originally Posted by cHiLiTiLT

29%. 35.5 / (87 + 35.5) = 0.29

I just wrote it unclear

, but it is 40%, 35.5 / 51.5+35.5.
The pot on turn is 51.5bb + villains 35.5bb bet. Right?

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10-01-2018 , 10:06 AM

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Mr.FlyingDutchman

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Originally Posted by DarkwingDuck

I see, that makes sence

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Originally Posted by cHiLiTiLT

you're breaking even just by x/c a sub-pot sized bet OTT like a station

You mean check-calling here is a breakeven play? (what is OTT like a station?)

Last edited by Mr.FlyingDutchman; 10-01-2018 at 10:14 AM.

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10-01-2018 , 10:30 AM

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Mr.FlyingDutchman

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Originally Posted by cHiLiTiLT

F me!

yea I see, actually if we brake down risk/(risk+reward) we'll get

risk - my call 71c
reward - pot of 174c
we get 71/245=0.29

AND

CO 28.83% 28.83% 0.00% { QhJh }
BU 71.17% 71.17% 0.00% { JJ+ }

Yea now I get it, thanks!
that's a clear call

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10-01-2018 , 12:51 PM

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ArtyMcFly

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When you're faced with a 10bb 3bet in this spot pre-flop, I think you should actually fold. While villain can certainly have some light 3-bets in BTNvMP, you need to win with this hand more than a third of the time and it's very hard to realize your equity in full OOP. If you're uncomfortable playing TPGK+FD OOP, then you definitely shouldn't be calling pre.

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10-22-2018 , 10:47 AM

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Mr.FlyingDutchman

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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly

that's true, I surely need to play tirghter until I'm more comfortable in these spots

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10-22-2018 , 06:08 PM

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WorldzMine

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Fold pre. The rest doesn't matter. If you don't fold pre your play is ~breakeven +- 5% or so. That's why you fold pre OOP.

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10-23-2018 , 02:14 AM

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Dr_Doctr

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Yeah, pretty hand, but not good to call a 3-bet oop.

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