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10NL Stuck, what's the right move here? 10NL Stuck, what's the right move here?

08-17-2008 , 11:40 PM
Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $1.85
BTN: $2.75
SB: $7.50
Hero (BB): $9.10
UTG: $2.55
UTG+1: $4.75
UTG+2: $3.40
MP1: $5.00
MP2: $4.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T Q
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.20, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, CO calls $0.20, BTN calls $0.20, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($1.40) 2 Q 6 (7 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.20, CO folds, BTN folds, SB folds, Hero calls $0.20, UTG+1 calls $0.20, MP1 calls $0.20

Turn: ($2.20) 5 (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $0.40, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls $0.40, MP1 folds

River: ($3.00) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks


didn't know if this was the right fold??
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08-17-2008 , 11:41 PM
MP2 ended up showing q-9o to win pot
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08-17-2008 , 11:57 PM
why did u fold when the guy was only betting .40 into a 2.20 pot. should have at least called. On the flop I think you should probably have raised the .20 bet to like 1.20 ish. See what happens there. It should at least thin the field a little. I think raising on this flop makes it alot easier to play.
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08-18-2008 , 12:42 AM
Fold this PF.

But as played, I dunno if I'd raise it up here. With 7 players to the flop and only top pair with an OK kicker I'd rather just try to get to the showdown cheaply.

You could be outkicked pretty easily but you're getting a good price to continue.
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08-18-2008 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by metsfan88
why did u fold when the guy was only betting .40 into a 2.20 pot. should have at least called. On the flop I think you should probably have raised the .20 bet to like 1.20 ish. See what happens there. It should at least thin the field a little. I think raising on this flop makes it alot easier to play.
yea noob to cash. i didn't call turn cause PF raiser flat call on the flop. wasn't sure. you said repop the .20, should i not be worried about qj+ here? tx in advance
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08-18-2008 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
Fold this PF.

But as played, I dunno if I'd raise it up here. With 7 players to the flop and only top pair with an OK kicker I'd rather just try to get to the showdown cheaply.

You could be outkicked pretty easily but you're getting a good price to continue.
really? i should fold? should i not be trying to see a flop in the BB w/ those odds to call?
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08-18-2008 , 12:53 AM
I'd be more inclined to call with a hand like 75s or a PP. Even though you're getting epic odds I'd let this one go. You're easily dominated OOP in a 7 way pot, and unless you flop really huge (i.e. flush, straight or TTx) you get yourself in headaches like this one.

With smaller connectors you either hit big or you're out, but with QTs I think it's too easy to get into a situation like this.

Actually the more I think about it the more I think folding turn or even flop is better as played. It's way too easy that he has you beat, and you could easily face another bet on the river too. Despite his weak betting.

Oh and don't post results either.
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08-18-2008 , 12:56 AM
got it, k tx ForG
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08-18-2008 , 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
I'd be more inclined to call with a hand like 75s or a PP. Even though you're getting epic odds I'd let this one go. You're easily dominated OOP in a 7 way pot, and unless you flop really huge (i.e. flush, straight or TTx) you get yourself in headaches like this one.

With smaller connectors you either hit big or you're out, but with QTs I think it's too easy to get into a situation like this.
While true, this only matters if OP plans on going broke with one pair.

Remember, we play SCs to flop

a) two pair
b) straight
c) flush
d) mega draw

and none of those involve getting our stack in with one pair.

With these awesome direct pot odds and potential implied odds, this is a great place to see a cheap flop with QTs. Also notice the fact that our call will close the action, so there's no threat of someone making a LRR if we call.
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08-18-2008 , 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by I vi ii V7
While true, this only matters if OP plans on going broke with one pair.

Remember, we play SCs to flop

a) two pair
b) straight
c) flush
d) mega draw

and none of those involve getting our stack in with one pair.

With these awesome direct pot odds and potential implied odds, this is a great place to see a cheap flop with QTs. Also notice the fact that our call will close the action, so there's no threat of someone making a LRR if we call.
This is basically what i was about to say. As long as you know why you are calling with QTs and what flops you will continue with its a good call PF. But getting the amazing odds to call on turn you could call this bet. A fold isn't that bad either though.
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08-18-2008 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ForGlory
Fold this PF.
No. One BB to see a huge pot, and you are closing the action PF. True that your absolute position sucks, but your relative position is great. Say you flop a great hand, PF raiser can bet and be called by the entire table before you need to make a move.

Don't know if a fold or call is better later in the hand. Sure, its not a lot of money but your hand is not that good, especially multi way, and it has little chance of improving.
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08-18-2008 , 01:16 PM
I think you can make the call from the BB, but be prepared to let it go if yo don't hit 2pr+
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08-18-2008 , 02:33 PM
It's a family pot, suited connectors are a good family pot hand. It's a mini raise, there are 5 callers already, and you close the action. It would be a crime to fold this preflop.

Just don't get married to top pair. I would have called this down the whole way as long as they are betting weak figuring a weak queen or worse. Fold when someone starts getting nutty.
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08-18-2008 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptVimes
It's a family pot, suited connectors are a good family pot hand. It's a mini raise, there are 5 callers already, and you close the action. It would be a crime to fold this preflop.

Just don't get married to top pair. I would have called this down the whole way as long as they are betting weak figuring a weak queen or worse. Fold when someone starts getting nutty.
+! to this whole thing.
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08-18-2008 , 05:24 PM
dont fold this preflop you are getting 13:1, just dont broke with one pair

on the turn i think im folding this as well its just to wet of a board for someone not to have you beat. i know in this hand you would have won, but for the most part you are behind here

Last edited by drowski; 08-18-2008 at 05:33 PM.
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08-18-2008 , 06:02 PM
+1 to y'all.

You guys are right. Relative position is great here. Shouldn't be folding this pre, but I just think it's really easy to get into a situation like this where you could be calling down with a 2nd best hand. You just gotta have the discipline to let it go if you need to after the flop.

Please excuse the wrongity of my previous response .
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