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Old 06-29-2020, 07:26 AM   #1
Emolk
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100NL Flush draw shove

Thoughts on this hand? I don't think i could have called the flop raise as i only would have 50bb behind.

NL Holdem 1(BB)
HERO ($95.50) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 17.3% | AGG: 30.2% | Flop Agg: 29.9% | Turn Agg: 30.8% | River Agg: 30.2% | 3-Bet: 10.7% | 4-Bet: 12.3% | Cold Call: 19% | Hands: 12579]
CO ($128.95) [VPIP: 26.1% | PFR: 17.4% | AGG: 34.8% | Hands: 46]
BTN ($71.65) [VPIP: 4.9% | PFR: 2.4% | AGG: 14.3% | Hands: 42]
SB ($58.68) [VPIP: 35.7% | PFR: 21.4% | AGG: 50% | Flop Agg: 50% | Turn Agg: 50% | River Agg: 50% | 3-Bet: 16.7% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 33.3% | Hands: 14]
BB ($192.02) [VPIP: 54.2% | PFR: 4.2% | AGG: 18.5% | Flop Agg: 25% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 28.6% | 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 69.2% | Hands: 24]
UTG ($82.34) [VPIP: 21.7% | PFR: 15.2% | AGG: 33.3% | Hands: 46]
EP ($110.63) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 28.6% | AGG: 20% | Hands: 7]
MP ($100) [VPIP: 66.7% | PFR: 46.7% | AGG: 50% | Flop Agg: 66.7% | Turn Agg: 33.3% | River Agg: 0% | 3-Bet: 60% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 15]

Dealt to Hero: A J

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Raises To $3.50, HERO Calls $3.50, CO Folds, BTN Folds, SB Calls $3, BB Calls $2.50

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.94 effective]
Flop ($14): 8 7 Q
SB Checks, BB Checks, MP Bets $5 (Rem. Stack: $91.50), HERO Calls $5 (Rem. Stack: $87), SB Calls $5 (Rem. Stack: $50.18), BB Raises To $38.30 (Rem. Stack: $150.22), MP Folds, HERO Raises To $92 (allin), SB Folds, BB Calls $53.70 (Rem. Stack: $96.52)

Turn ($208): 8 7 Q T

River ($208): 8 7 Q T T

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Old 06-29-2020, 08:17 AM   #2
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

What do you think you represent with the back raise?

On the flip side, you might manage to get both worse hands to call (worse flush draws, T9) and better hands to fold (pairs). That said, is BB ever check raising multiway with just a pair?

Make a note on the BB just calling multiway OOP with QQ
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Old 06-29-2020, 08:17 AM   #3
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

What do you think you represent with the back raise?

On the flip side, you might manage to get both worse hands to call (worse flush draws, T9) and better hands to fold (pairs). That said, is BB ever check raising multiway with just a pair?

Make a note on the BB just calling multiway OOP with QQ
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Old 06-29-2020, 06:12 PM   #4
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

Interesting hand, I don't know what to do either, but even with a call otf you can't get away ott, fd nuts and gut shoot.
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Old 06-30-2020, 03:00 PM   #5
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

I think you can fold this FS at the flop after villains raise! The Raise against 3 people looks super strong. Cant believe he do this with a draw. Maybe only Sets, Two Pairs and TP + FD

Push Flop:
87,00$/(67,30$+53,70$+87,00$) = 42,6% Equity you need


Possible Ranges Villain
Only with Sets, Two Pairs:
vs. QQ,77-88,87s,Q7s,Q8s = 30% Equity

Sets, Two Pairs, TP + FD, Draws
vs. QQ,77-88,87s,Q7s,Q8s,KhQh,KhTh,Kh9h,QhTh,Qh9h,Th9h,6h5h = 38% Equity

Sets, Two Pairs, TP + FD, Draws, TP
vs. QQ,77-88,87s,Q7s,Q8s,KhQh,KhTh,Kh9h,QhTh,Qh9h,Th9h,6h5h, KQo,KQs,AQs,AQo = 40% Equity

I see NO Fold Equity if you shove!


HUD stats look like a passive fish... and if this guy is raising large against 3 people... I run away

But if someone think Villains range is wider... ship it at the Flop!
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Old 07-09-2020, 08:11 AM   #6
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

i think you have to 3bet pre flop to eliminate those behind and be willing to call a shove

easy fold to cr on flop to oop your never getting a fold here and u are certainly up agains 2pair+
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:31 PM   #7
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Re: 100NL Flush draw shove

I think we can find a fold to the re-raise on the flop. We are definitely behind villains range here, which should look something like this:

QQ, 77, 88, 87o, 87s, KQs, T9s, AQo

Against that we are at about 40% equity. With his big re-raise it's now $38.30 to win $62.30, if we were just to call. Not getting the proper odds as we need slightly better than 2-1 to make a call. When we raise here are we doing it for value or as a bluff? We are kind of in a weird spot. We are not folding out sets, or T9s, or even 87s or 87o. I think it's highly unlikely he has just top pair with how strong of that raise that is multiway from a very loose passive player, so it seems more of a semi bluff as our flush outs are still good/live. Again, I would just fold to that raise on the flop.
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