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Old 04-07-2019, 10:53 AM   #22826
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Round of 4 was good

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Maru vs Trap:

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Anybody interested in gambling on the Super Tournament with me?

The format (where we know the whole bracket up front) seems well suited to gambling.
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Old 04-07-2019, 03:42 PM   #22827
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lol group D are you kiddin me
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Old 04-07-2019, 04:10 PM   #22828
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Dark vs Classic:

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Maru vs Trap:

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Old 04-08-2019, 10:07 AM   #22829
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maru vs trap
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Aaaaaaand wcs europe finals
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About the GSL stats
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Old 04-10-2019, 12:01 PM   #22830
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WCS EU
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GSL
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On another note, seems like WCS Spring will have a little bit different of a format. Blizzard teased it a bit here: https://wcs.starcraft2.com/en-us/news/22945355/

"The general system of WCS Circuit remains the same. However, a few changes have been applied to the tournament format—each player who drops out in the Group Stage of WCS Spring will get a second chance in the knockout brackets. We will give more details on this in the coming weeks."

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Old 04-12-2019, 04:55 PM   #22831
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Anybody interested in gambling on the Super Tournament with me?

The format (where we know the whole bracket up front) seems well suited to gambling.
yep - do you have a preferred method? down for pretty much whatever, usually prefer some sort of draft
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Old 04-13-2019, 06:50 AM   #22832
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Old 04-13-2019, 09:20 AM   #22833
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yep - do you have a preferred method? down for pretty much whatever, usually prefer some sort of draft
It's a 16 player bracket that doesn't re-draw groups, so we know all potential matchups before brackets lock.

I was thinking a March Madness-style bracket with Fibonacci scoring

So each correct Ro8 pick worth 2 points, Ro4 worth 3 points, finalists 5 points, and the champion worth 8 points

Something like $10-20 per bracket, winner take all unless we get more than 10

The real challenge will be to get everyone that's interested in and paid after the bracket is announced but before the games start
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:44 PM   #22834
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id be in assuming a couple small details ironed out

gsl winner gets stats??

i dont like that scoring since its not exactly seeded, but 1-1-2-3-5 would be ok

not sure if you meant per person or per bracket but wta with multiple entries seems not great. if people want to do multiples, pick a main and other iterations go vs whomever on the side

or if a few of us agree to multiple each, w.e.

who wants to offer odds on a terran winning?
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:09 AM   #22835
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awesome GSL finals
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excited for the super tournament coming up (april 18th).
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:51 PM   #22836
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who wants to offer odds on a terran winning?
I'll bet you even money - I get Zerg and Protoss, you get Terran. Seems fair. Actually maybe I should get Gumiho and you just get Maru.
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:01 PM   #22837
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Old 04-16-2019, 05:27 PM   #22838
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Are there brackets anywhere? I'd be interested in betting on individual matches, or maybe a few matches and whoever gets most right wins.
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Old 04-17-2019, 11:09 AM   #22839
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The bracket can be found here.

Be careful, though, it's from Liquipedia, which means they have nerds live-updating the results the second they become final.

The games start tomorrow at 04:00 eastern, which is 16 and a half hours from the time I'm posting this

Left half:

Maru vs Stats
Gumiho vs Dark
Hurricane vs Rogue
Parting vs Ragnarok


Right half:

Solar vs sOs
Dear vs Zest
herO vs Patience
soO vs Classic

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Old 04-17-2019, 11:40 AM   #22840
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id be in assuming a couple small details ironed out

gsl winner gets stats??

i dont like that scoring since its not exactly seeded, but 1-1-2-3-5 would be ok

not sure if you meant per person or per bracket but wta with multiple entries seems not great. if people want to do multiples, pick a main and other iterations go vs whomever on the side

or if a few of us agree to multiple each, w.e.
The reason I like that scoring is so the first round matchups matter. In my experience in NCAA pools, just correctly picking the winner is an insurmountable advantage in pools where the points double every round.

There are only 4 rounds that score, not 5, which is why 1-1-2-3-5 wouldn't work. That's also why it starts at 2 points, so the scoring is slightly more, but not double, each round. Fibonacci scoring also does a great job preventing ties, which matters in a smaller bracket like this.

I hadn't planned on making more than one entry, we can cap it at 1 if you want.

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Old 04-17-2019, 11:41 AM   #22841
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who wants to offer odds on a terran winning?
I'll give you odds on a terran winning if you want a sweat.

Spoiler, there are only 2 terrans in the field, Maru and Gumiho, and they would potentially meet in the Ro8.

If we assume Maru advances, and Gumiho does too vs Dark (obv not given), that guarantees a Terran in the Ro4. If every match from the Ro4 onward was a true coinflip, then fair odds would be 3:1, +300, 1 in 4.

Maru coming off 4 GSL's and looking like the best player ever complicates things, so Bank of TJ is gonna offer +280 on either Terran winning. I'll lay my $56 to your $20, or my $112 to your $40.

Paypal or Venmo, let me know before the games start!
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Old 04-17-2019, 11:46 AM   #22842
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Are there brackets anywhere? I'd be interested in betting on individual matches, or maybe a few matches and whoever gets most right wins.
Tell me what matchups you want to bet and I'll set lines

(for funzies stakes, obv)
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Old 04-17-2019, 12:00 PM   #22843
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I'll also run and escrow for a bracket pool for the whole tournament, under the scoring system I outlined above. I'm thinking $20 entry... could do $10 if it gets more action, don't wanna do it for much more. But probably would, cuz ACTION.

Right now all I need for you to do to enter is PM me your Ro8, Ro4, finalists, and champion before the games start Thursday at 04:00 Eastern and I'll PM you back payment details.

I'm gonna make my bracket and send it to gamboneee so my entry is verifiable and above board, and since it seems like he's the most excited to gambolllll with me lol.

Paypal or Venmo
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Old 04-17-2019, 12:23 PM   #22844
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If we assume Maru advances, and Gumiho does too vs Dark (obv not given), that guarantees a Terran in the Ro4. If every match from the Ro4 onward was a true coinflip, then fair odds would be 3:1, +300, 1 in 4.
Gumiho is a massive underdog to dark.
Maru has been struggling vs Dark historically.
Stats is a beast.
I don't know much about betting tho but your statement feels a bit rushed.
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:17 PM   #22845
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I'm just trying to get action going

If you think +280 is too low, remember I'm fading MARU, I mean have you seen any of the last 4 GSL's?

What line would YOU set, AND bet on, then?
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Old 04-17-2019, 01:37 PM   #22846
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I didn't mean to stop your action, I don't know what fading maru means and don't know much about sport betting.
I'm just a Maru fanboy and yes I have watched lot of the last year GSLs (I'd say around 80% of the games and all games from Ro16+).
Maru's dominance isn't the same as last year, he had his proxy 2 racks unchallenged all year but people learnt.
I'm super happy he won this GSL but all I'm saying is the path is not easy.
He lost to Bunny in Ro16 in winners match but yet he kinda cruised to the finals after that.
And funny thing is I feel Maru is stronger than last year where he was riding that proxy strat, but is that much better than rest of the field to get +280?

ps:just googled fading.
sorry for the insane rambling
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Old 04-17-2019, 03:59 PM   #22847
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in for bracket

fading maru at most odds seems like a v solid bet...this is kind of a hybrid tournament between IEM/blizzcon and GSL but i think at this point we have pretty solid evidence that maru is undeniably the GOAT with preparation and probably borderline top 5 players right now at weekend tournaments.

just off the top of my head somewhere between +300 and +400 seems about right...
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Old 04-17-2019, 04:04 PM   #22848
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Anyone interested in a bet on who wins blizzcon - you get maru and serral, i get the field?
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Old 04-17-2019, 05:59 PM   #22849
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confirm rcvd tjs bracket. think i am going to pass on entering a bracket, if you guys wanted me to escrow as an outsider thats fine, or let tj run it.

wrt terran bet, <3:1 seems very low, so no thanks there. no way maru edge is worth nearly that when 8:1 would be neutral ev. they cant both be alive past ro8 so i would say even higher than 8:1 could be even, but we seem to be very far apart here

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Old 04-17-2019, 08:51 PM   #22850
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Ya - what do you think reasonable odds are? Even money at first seemed reasonable to me...last years blizzcon iirc had Maru+ serral at slightly greater than 50%, but I think to say both have regressed compared to the field slightly is fair (at least serral), and maru has shown to be vulnerable at WESG and IEM....
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