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04-05-2018 , 06:44 PM

#22101

bsball8806

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i mean, this is what he looks like - wouldn't you be mad all the time too?

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04-05-2018 , 07:49 PM

#22102

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so if we're teching to ultras, say the cavern is 1/2 done, we've gone mutas and have 10-12 and then some assortment of lings and a few banelings, and we see the terran start to push out of his base with a standing army of MTM+ a few thors that we cannot kill, how's the best way to handle this in theory?

previously it was a viable strategy to make some infestors/spines and fungal everything in place until you could get out ultras/broods. what are we doing now? have a hydra den just in case, and spam those? make as many banelings we can and hope for a decent engage? counterattack and hope to draw his army home?

i'm finding that pretty much the only ZvTs i lose (other than to random early game cheese, or to mech) are this scenario. should i just make a billion spines and hope for the best?

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04-05-2018 , 07:50 PM

#22103

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i'll be on tonight if anyone wants to play. wish we had anyone that didn't main zerg but i can play terran too.

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04-05-2018 , 08:08 PM

#22104

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counterattack and hope to draw his army home?

I think this usually works pretty well. I guess spines as a last resort, because once you're ready to make ultras you'll wish you had those minerals back.

If I feel confident in a win (which is most of the time) sometimes I'll just sac a base (make sure to move your drones elsewhere) if it's the difference between fighting at a disadvantage versus getting more units out and fighting with an advantage.

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04-05-2018 , 10:32 PM

#22105

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I kind of got cannon rushed but he sucked and didn't even know (or didn't think to) he could mineral walk his probe to save it, so I killed his probe before the pylon finished and he just canceled it and expanded

Then he tried to go into 3 base carrier

https://drop.sc/replay/7030505

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04-05-2018 , 11:05 PM

#22106

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why is it that protoss players seem significantly worse at macro than any other race

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04-05-2018 , 11:33 PM

#22107

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why is it that protoss players seem significantly worse at macro than any other race

Hahaha, speaking of...

https://drop.sc/replay/7030811

Another 3 base carrier Protoss who...
- had 60 apm
- never crossed onto my side of the map until moving out with his carrier ball
- after encountering a burrowed ling at two potential 4th base locations, just gave up entirely on taking a 4th (making an observer? nah. make a pylon and cannon? nah. make an oracle and use revelation? nah. too hard)

And this guy was DIAMOND!

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04-06-2018 , 10:47 AM

#22108

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why is it that protoss players seem significantly worse at macro than any other race

Since the race is so demanding of micro, it's natural that their macro skills fall behind.

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04-06-2018 , 10:53 AM

#22109

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GSL Super Tournament, Maru v Soo spoilers

Spoiler:

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04-06-2018 , 02:37 PM

#22110

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Avilo results, FRIDAY EDITION

Spoiler:

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04-06-2018 , 03:10 PM

#22111

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Since the race is so demanding of micro, it's natural that their macro skills fall behind.

boo you and your logical answers

i just wanted affirmation

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04-06-2018 , 03:20 PM

#22112

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I thought Protoss being "so demanding of micro" was a joke

(really, really, really wish I could find a gif of the Starcrafts video with the Protoss commander or whatever up in his ship just pressing the "a" key over and over, just pretend it's here and if you haven't seen it then I'm sorry and I feel bad that I can't provide you with this joy)

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04-06-2018 , 03:47 PM

#22113

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Confirmed joke. I have not seen that gif and it makes me sad.

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04-06-2018 , 03:57 PM

#22114

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oh lolz sorry then. i actually suck at micro with protoss but i just put my whole army on one hotkey and then wonder why my FFs don't work

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04-06-2018 , 04:01 PM

#22115

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Here's the YT video, the a-move thing is like halfway through, pretend it's just an individual gif

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04-07-2018 , 12:36 PM

#22116

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GSL Super Tournament ro8

Spoiler:

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04-08-2018 , 03:55 AM

#22117

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avilo is a sad dude. i kinda feel bad for him tbh. no self-awareness is a tough road to hoe.

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04-08-2018 , 12:30 PM

#22118

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

GSL Super Tournament, Maru v Soo spoilers

Spoiler:

Just watched these games. I got the feeling (to your second point) that it was Maru's insane micro that won him that game more than the bad unit comp? Like sure, fighting endlessly in small skirmishes vs bio down a full upgrade doesn't seem great but holy crap, Maru's micro was on point.

As to your first, I agree - didn't it used to be the case that the reason that spellcasters only was a bad unit comp was because it just got run over by brute force units, over and over? And now that isn't even an option since apparently ghost/raven hard counters every single unit comp if you get enough of them. Like sure mass zergling might do some damage if those are your only two units, but like 3 hellbats (or a PF) counter that.

Kinda like we talked earlier about how the only way to beat the obnoxious turtling terran style was to cost-ineffectively sac like 600 supply of gas units into their maze of defenses and hope that one time the armor cracks.

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04-08-2018 , 12:32 PM

#22119

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Is there a reason they made infestors no longer hold units in position? Weren't those like the only reason making 30+ vikings was a bad idea?

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04-08-2018 , 01:21 PM

#22120

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Is there a reason they made infestors no longer hold units in position? Weren't those like the only reason making 30+ vikings was a bad idea?

Now there's also vipers and parasitic bomb

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04-09-2018 , 03:25 AM

#22121

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WCS Austin NA qualifier has avilo against some guy named THERIDDLER who also plays mech Terran and whose in-game name is "avilo". They played an hour long split map game on Backwater and the entire bracket is backed up because of them:

The admins gave them a draw so they started the same map again and it's an hour long split map game AGAIN. Click the above tweet, it's a thread, all the foreigners in the Korea house are watching it. It's hilarious. Fake avilo is winning. It's game 1 of a bo3. Real avilo is calling fake avilo a maphacker.

edit: fake avilo wins game 1 LOL

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04-09-2018 , 11:18 AM

#22122

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Now there's also vipers and parasitic bomb

forgot about vipers again lol

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04-09-2018 , 11:21 AM

#22123

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After two 1-hour games, the bracket was postposed and will resume tomorrow at 8pm PDT. [1

lol.

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04-09-2018 , 04:43 PM

#22124

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Apparently the same thing (kind of) happened today in the EU qualifier - there was a 1 hour 45 minute TvZ on Backwater

Great work with the current iteration of Terran, Blizzard, just masterful game design. Stolen from Reddit: