It's def more difficult for Terran to deal with storm than Zerg, I feel you on that.

Creep spread is the APM mechanic of Zerg moreso than Larva injects. I freely admit that mine needs some serious work most games.

I can inject 20+ hatcheries in under 2 seconds. Just need a mechanical keyboard and the proper hotkey setup. Not that you'll ever have that many, obviously.

I die to having the wrong units vs Protoss a lot more than I die to Psi Storm. Last night for instance, I failed to scout triple Stargate. My first push into the TurtleToss base revealed cannons with stalker/sentry and one visible immortal. I took 2 more bases (5 in total) and started going nuts with mutas, which is just my personal favorite. My first 20 mutas met at least that many Phoenix when I went in for harass, and I got curb stomped.

I killed off his third with my ground army, but he was competent at Phoenix micro and I wound up losing all the mutas, like 50 drones, and pretty much ALL my overlords which were stupidly chilling near my un-spored third. I died with a huge bank because I couldn't build enough overlords. I should've IMMEDIATELY switched to mass Hydra the second I saw the huge swarm of Phoenix, but I'm usually able to just outmicro them with my mutas at this level. Bounce out of fog of war and immediately move back toward the Phoenix ball. This was a LOT of Phoenix, though. APM didn't lose me the game. Just some good old fashioned poor decisionmaking.

well id think your apm is higher just cause all of your production is excessive to other races. no one else has 50 supply of units made in 1-2sec (pretty sure that isnt spam either) along with how often you move around the map. whenever i played zerg i def lost creep spread mid game when my apm was running at its max. but like goofy said i wasnt great at zerg and the decision making time on top of doing it time was a problem too.

anyone wanna play archon tonight?

So all Terrans have now figured out that you auto-win if you just build 3 Liberators and about 15 Hellbats vs Zerg.

Unless I already have my spire down when you arrive, I just lose.

Avoiding this kind of imbalanced bull**** is exactly why I can't bring myself to start playing LotV yet.

It's not necessarily imbalanced, but I'm a zergling kinda guy, and the Liberators make it impossible to deal with the Hellbats with just lings/queens.

The Liberators 2-shot queens, and smart placement by the Terran makes defense against the hellbats just a MASSIVE pain in the dick, or downright impossible.

I tried to zone them out in one game with solid spore placement, but that really just delayed him a few seconds while he set up camp and focused the spores down with his hellbats (still under cover of the liberators though so actually getting a surround was impossible).

For roach lovers, maybe this sucks a lot less. I am not a roach lover, though.

The three bridgehead losses are all to the 3 Liberator + Hellbat push. Maybe it's just on that map because of how easily the Liberators can hide on the highground areas, I guess.

The Ruins of Seras is the Phoenix silliness loss I described above.

idk goofy, as a terran with like 70apm on a good day, ive wished for more APM like basically every single game. Move this, drop those, build those units, seige the tanks, unseige the tanks, reposition that stuff, load up and boost, drop again, build more ****, drop, seige, unseige, burrow the mines, unborrow the mines, move the mines BURROW THE MINES SEIGE THE TANKS LOAD UP DROP build probe

Then I play on my protoss alt and I have no idea what I'm supposed to do all the time. There's nothing you really need to do, just warp stuff in.

This happens a lot when Blizzard adjusts the leagues mid-season. I notice that all the plats I play against on my smurf are terrible at Starcraft, sign on my main account, play 3 games, get promoted.

There was a large banwave yesterday.

Perhaps that causes a reshuffling of the player distribution within leagues.

Played some lotv tonight. I won all my placement matches and got placed in bronze, is this normal?

Also, bronze players are really really REALLYYY bad at starcraft.

In last night's crazy stacked (I haven't watched most of the games yet though) SSL group of Innovation vs Hero + Life vs sOs, spoiler for Life-sOs game 2:

And group result spoiler:

(mod note: editing cause SSL group C final match spoiler)

I 100% agree.

ZvMech:




I was really far ahead, but it's just disgusting what an A-moved Mech army can do to zerg forces.

I had a massive bank and he was totally broke, so he gave up.


Edit: Mind you, my army was fully upgraded, too.

What the heck happened from 650 to 840? Like, you take a good trade against mech (unpossible) but then keep losing army while he's making more?

What was the 940 remax?

if you haven't looked at TL in the past couple of days, don't go back, ever, it's like they've hired facebook's web designers

that wasnt as drastic as i was expecting but there must be like an unwritten rule amongst companies that you cannot update your site without making it look worse. i cant remember the last time one was better.

Where are you guys finding VODs for SSL Group C? The TL VOD thread only has the first two matches.

650 to 840 was pure (+2attack)Muta/(2/2)Ling vs a Tank/Thor/Hellbat/Banshee/Viking mix. I had a small sprinking of Banelings in there, but they didn't do much. I think he had way too many banshees, which is why his Army value took such a dive and mine didn't. Magic Box the mutas over the 4ish Thors and it was just all over for him. This engagement was on creep, so the ling surround was swift and deadly. He had 0 widow mines, which helped.

I continued to pump Zerglings. The reason I'm losing army is because those follow-up lings ****ed up his natural and third pretty badly. I focused on SCV kills, and I got a LOT of them.

The remax was Brood Lord/Corruptor/Crackling/Viper. I forgot my Ultralisk Cavern, so I didn't make any.

That entire army was utterly CRUSHED, but since I had contained him for the entire game, he was running on empty. I had 9(?) bases around the map. 4 of which were totally mined out, and had my 70 drones spread around the rest.

I lost a lot of drones that game to Hellions because of how spread out I was and the lack of Spines.

I think I stated this earlier in the thread, but with how quickly the bases mine out in LOTV, I expand very aggressively, and favor large balls of mutalisks and roaming zerglings to keep my opponent hiding in his base while I build a massive bank and ultimately starve them out. Especially on that map in particular, it's not uncommon for me to have 10+ hatcheries by the time the game ends.

A better player would've ended the game long before that point because of how far ahead I was, but that's why I'm still in Plat. Though I assume the Diamond bump will be coming soon on the beta.

Yeah, second game of the day I got the bump.





Notice the minimap. I took a lot of damage to burrowed roaches before my mutas came out, but once they did, I contained him hard.

The little green pack of blips you see in the upper right are some zerglings just patrolling the rest of the map checking for expansions. I sniped his natural three times over the course of the game by threatening his third with the muta ball and then just running lings in to kill his natural hatch. In fact, you can see in the screenshot that his natural has a hole where the hatch is supposed to be.

Again, this game was over long before I actually ended it. But I expand ultra-aggressively to counteract the early mineout in LOTV, and that allows me to do silly **** like build 50 banelings to end the game. Meanwhile, he was just desperately trying to build enough Roach/Hydra off 2 base economy to not die.

In Diamond league, the enemy probably has Vipers and/or Infestors out to **** my mutas. This is where things get hard, I decide that I'm too old and slow to make the push to masters, and I ragequit SC2 for another 2 years.

Yeah, my first 3 Diamond games were all ZvZ losses to baneling all-ins.

My micro skills leave much to be desired.


Edit: Make that 4.


Edit2: 5


LOL DIAMOND


Edit 3: SC2 Ragequit imminent

After 6 losses in a row, it threw me a Gold bone and I crushed his soul.

Inb4 demotion back to Plat.



The common thread so far in all these losses (just lost to a Terran) is ULTRA early all-in aggression, or kitchy ****.

Some of the ZvZ losses were baneling drops, and the terran losses involved sieged tank drop-play.


Edit: That loss was to 3 proxy mass reaper. What is happening right now? I held the reapers, but he did too much damage and I died to the 85 followup marines with Medivac support.