when you said gretorp was GM, i assume that was in 2010/2011 right? he could barely put a sentence together let alone figure out a build when he was casting last year

also i guess we have to consider that pros are far from the casters' intended audience

i don't want to be obnoxious but this is a massive appeal to authority that is way weakened by the fact that at a minimum catz (and probs lots of others) are incredibly biased (consider the fact that catz said he never met wolf and already dislikes him)

This happened last night, when they were like OMG THOSE WIDOW MINE SHOTS. The shots killed a bunch of...zerglings, lategame in a ZvT, when Zerg had a massive bank and losing a few lings literally did not matter at all.

But yeah, wrt the calling fights things, I think it was a couple nights ago in a PvT? on Heavy Rain where Tasteless was like "...and this Protoss army ball is just too strong!" while P was, despite pushing the T army back, dropping massively in supply compared to T and definitely losing the game. I think all casters would be better if they stared at supply counts the way players stare at minimaps because so often what they say is just wildly out of whack with what the top right corner is telling you is happening (and while there are obviously exceptions, the top right corner has a much better track record).

No much more recently than that. He has also been a coach for teams since then I believe.

I am not sure you understand why an appeal to authority can be a fallacious line of reasoning, but basically when the experts (and the top pros are as expert as it gets) agree on something, that appeal to authority is really not a fallacious line of reasoning at all. Like is believing that quantum physics is real or global warming real an appeal to authority? These guys know more, their opinion is much more authoritative in this subject, and they all think something. The fact you think the opposite should be a clue that you are wrong, no?

Also CatZ is biased how? He never met him but dislikes him? I have never met him and I dislike him? So what? If CatZ opinion is biased then literally so is everyones including yours.

why wouldnt you say woat caster? also, nice use of edit button

wolf cannot be woat caster. mousetrap/kibbelz/day9/TB all are off on their own

i also just assume tasteless is drunk every cast, then it makes a lot more sense.

I'm pretty sure you are the only person who would actually take that side of the bet, Wolf possibly included (I don't know if he would claim it or not).

I never found Wolf unbearably bad or anything (certainly not Moletrap level), but I don't think I've ever felt he contributed in any way more than pretty much everyone else on the power ranking, especially amongst analytical casters. In that sense, he certainly deserves to be on the bottom IMO.

would still bet that fyi

do you really thuink he is worse than gretorp? i really don't think so

even if this were true, gretorp isn't an analytical caster either and wolf is way more professional than he is

so i disagree on multiple levels

out of curiosity, have you listened to gretorp lately

i am pretty sure that this is the definition of why appeal to authority is an issue

side point- i would legitimately bet as much money as i could that wolf would rank higher than husky would on knowledge of SC

this was in the maru v zest game on heavy rain and i completely agree

I was gonna post a long rant about how its ****ty that people even make a ranking of casters. But i'll do a TLR instead: I think it sucks to even make a list like this, cause people who have sacrificied a lot to bring content to the SC2 world gets hung out and ranked dead last aka useless and people comment on how much they suck and are useless.

Well, for one, we are talking about knowledge, not professionalism, which I don't give a **** about.

And tbh, you should be more concerned that I haven't seen Wolf cast in at least a year rather than if I've seen Gretorp. After all, I did just call the guy the worst caster in the ranking without even knowing whether or not he deserves it. But unless he's gotten astronomically better over the last year or so, I don't see any reason for my opinion of him to change.

Fwiw, I would take Wolf's knowledge over Husky, but that doesn't mean anything. Husky and Gretorp aren't comparable, so if you think they are, we're done here.

Why is this a problem? it happens in every sport or TV show.

It's perfectly acceptable thing to do, no different than ranking the players. It will potential help improve coverage in the future as it gets people discussing what is good and bad about coverage and commentators.

Oh they sacrificed a lot? Boohoo man, cry me a river. Wolf gets to do his dream job and live in Korea, he will by crying into his Kimchi I am sure.

No,

If I had said "CatZ says so and provided no arguments of my own, that would be an appeal to authority. In stead I did provide arguments and to back up my opinion I provided the fact that a large number of professional players (experts in the field) agree with me.

It is the opposite of the definition of why its a problem. Basically, your way, no one can ever quote anyone about anything or accept anyone elses opinion. Seriously, do you believe in global warming, if so, why? With your reasoning unless you are a climate scientist your opinion is worthless as its just an appeal to authority.

edit: not worth it.

This is very true. Their perceptions of the cast might not be worth all that much.

Needle, I cheated and read your post and thought it was good.

all of the casters are ****ty.

I think this is pretty much indisputable fact. I mean the two casters doing the biggest events are tasteless (who clearly checked out on SC and SC2 ages ago and just dicks around and drinks during the entire cast) and artosis (who has zero broadcast/speaking skills and i swear to god is autistic or something)

so yeah, everyone is ****ing terrible. but this is a game that has a comparatively small following in the broad scope of things outside (hell, even inside) of esports. Gonna be hard to find good casters out of a small pool of people who might even be reasonably qualified to analyze games. dealwithit.gif.

damn goofy, reading edited poasts. what's next, looking up our email addresses? IPs? social security numbers and credit cards? BATTLE.NET IDs??????

I think you are being very unfair on someone like Artosis. Personally I think Artosis is better at commentating than basically any real sports commentator I have ever heard do it regularly. You just never hear that quality of analysis in football, rugby, basketball or any other sport I watch regularly. The odd time maybe, but the guys doing the gig week in week out tend to pretty mediocre play by play or analysis guys that don't analyse much.

that fat **** is still doing things? and people watch?

oh right destiny still gets 6k viewers on a regular basis.

SC2 community is a giant pile of dog****.

Wow, you are mad.