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Also, I don't know why we're talking about my terran vs protoss strategy. We're talking about you incorporating blind spores into your build to defend drops and oracles as well. I don't understand why you have to attack my style of play so well. What I do works for me on ladder...I win. I have a winning record in platinum, and my highest win rate is vs protoss (Blind turrets usually work). Do what works for you, don't always hate on everything everyone else does. The game came out a week and a half ago...oracles are very prevalent in TvP , as our DTs...so turrets are ****ing incredible in that matchup. 2 turrets, that's all...and I defend so much with that.

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03-27-2013 , 10:45 PM

#14877

goofyballer

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Congrats? By doing that you're ingratiating in yourself a style of play that is lazy, assumes you don't need to scout your opponent, and will get you absolutely killed when you play people that actually have a clue at levels where throwing 350 minerals away on ebay+turrets too early is actually going to hurt you a lot.

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03-27-2013 , 10:47 PM

#14878

FishtermerService

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Stop turning this into an ad hominem argument, and address your problems, stop addressing mine. I actually listen to your advice, and anyone's for that matter.

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03-27-2013 , 10:49 PM

#14879

FishtermerService

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

I learned the build from a #2 ranked masters terran player who does this build EVERY time TvP on his ladder stream

Twitch.tv/brentstarcraft

It works for him, as TvP is also his most successful match up.

Let me listen to some platinum zerg though tell me how bad I am, when I have a winning record doing what I do. I do scout, with my reapers, but starports aren't always at protoss' base as the meta right now incorporates proxy stargates. I'm done arguing with you, you obviously know it all and don't need to incorporate any new strategies into your flawless ZvP and ZvT builds. They seem to work really well for you, so keep it up champ.

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03-27-2013 , 10:50 PM

#14880

Karak

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03-27-2013 , 10:51 PM

#14881

bsball8806

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I think the actual correct answer is that when you have the extra money, spending it on spores and turrets for peace of mind earlier on is fine

As you get better, you'll find yourself with less and less money- and you can gradually cut the early static defense out of your build. That way, you don't hurt yourself from a build order perspective in the long run, but you still get to spend your money in the short run.

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03-27-2013 , 10:51 PM

#14882

bsball8806

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Originally Posted by Karak

oh, and this

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03-27-2013 , 10:52 PM

#14883

goofyballer

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You seem pretty mad. I'm just pointing out that for someone who started this off complaining I don't listen to your advice, that's because you haven't once told me to build blind spores ZvT, you're just taking other conversations we've had about completely different situations and incorrectly applying them to a different matchup.

I look forward to drinking the beers you owe me next week when you aren't diamond yet!

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03-27-2013 , 10:53 PM

#14884

gamboneee

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he mad.

reply to that pm imo, im pretty bored

goofy, still tho, didnt get your bank in that last game. if you had like 2.5k 900 before his big pushes started, you'd still have lotta extra mins after you make ultras with all the gas, right? cant you basically stay maxxed on lings with 4 base + macro hatch or just 2 macro hatches on 3 base and accomplish the same thing?

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03-27-2013 , 10:53 PM

#14885

rageotones

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blind turrets tvp is completely not standard.

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03-27-2013 , 10:56 PM

#14886

rageotones

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once you're up on solid econ with 4 bases zvt, not making static defense vs drops is kind of nuts. you can't really afford to leave 10 lings at every base, and lightning quick optimal drop defense with lings probably isn't going to happen.

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03-27-2013 , 10:56 PM

#14887

FishtermerService

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Originally Posted by rageotones

blind turrets tvp is completely not standard.

Congrats on your valuable input, once again.

Find me one place on this thread where "turrets tvp is completely standard" was said.

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03-27-2013 , 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gamboneee

goofy, still tho, didnt get your bank in that last game.

I have awful macro in zvt (at least, not quite as terrible as zvz/zvp)

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03-27-2013 , 10:57 PM

#14889

FishtermerService

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Also, I only blind turrets when my reaper dies early, or I didn't get a full scout, which is ~80% of the time right now. So rather then waste a scan on praying to get a scout of starport, I just throw 2 turrets down and then if an oracle or anything comes my way...I insta win.

Last edited by FishtermerService; 03-27-2013 at 10:58 PM. Reason: lol commas

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03-27-2013 , 11:00 PM

#14890

goofyballer

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

Congrats on your valuable input, once again.

Find me one place on this thread where "turrets tvp is completely standard" was said.

Why are you trying to be a dick to someone who's only giving you advice? I mean, you JUST SAID you try to listen others' advice and stuff, doesn't seem very nice.

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03-27-2013 , 11:02 PM

#14891

FishtermerService

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"blind turrets tvp is completely not standard. "

that's not advice.
That was never said.
It has zero value right now.

Also, I'd love to know. What is "Standard" now a days in TvP? I forgot there is an "I win" button in SC2, and that there is a correct strategy that has no flaws.

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03-27-2013 , 11:04 PM

#14892

rageotones

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

Sigh. Building turrets vs protoss as a terran is about as standard as you get. 3/4 the times an oracle comes, 1/8 the time, DTs come. This defends all of the above. My TvP win rate in plat is 68% right now

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

"blind turrets tvp is completely not standard. "

that's not advice.
That was never said.

scouting is pretty standard.

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03-27-2013 , 11:07 PM

#14893

templar rage

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

Congrats on your valuable input, once again.

Find me one place on this thread where "turrets tvp is completely standard" was said.

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

Sigh. Building turrets vs protoss as a terran is about as standard as you get. 3/4 the times an oracle comes, 1/8 the time, DTs come. This defends all of the above. My TvP win rate in plat is 68% right now

Close enough IMO.

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03-27-2013 , 11:08 PM

#14894

FishtermerService

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Well I'm going to keep buildin my turrets regardless, because it works for me. Right now, I incorporate it into my TvP build, and it's VERY effective. Scouting is nice as well, but having to split my army into my main base all whilst macroing perfectly is too intense for me at my skill level. Like tswift said, maybe when I'm GM/Masters...I can do something differently. As for right now, I'm turretting my way into diamond while Goofy continually dies to drops and ANY protoss air units in the first 10 minutes of the game.

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03-27-2013 , 11:08 PM

#14895

FishtermerService

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Originally Posted by rageotones

scouting is pretty standard.

also, touche.

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03-27-2013 , 11:10 PM

#14896

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I would rather lose every game until I drill it into my head that I need to scout than just build some **** blindly and let it become a bad crutch I don't know how to play without. If your "goal" in SC2 is just to win ladder games and not actually improve your skill level, then I guess your strategy will work out quite well for you.

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03-27-2013 , 11:12 PM

#14897

templar rage

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Fwiw, not doing something because "its too intense at your level" is not a particularly good approach to improvement IMO.

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03-27-2013 , 11:13 PM

#14898

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lolol this is just perfect

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService

As for right now, I'm turretting my way into diamond while Goofy continually dies to drops and ANY protoss air units in the first 10 minutes of the game.

I'm better against Protoss than you are! lolol good job good effort

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03-27-2013 , 11:14 PM

#14899

FishtermerService

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If my goal was to just win ladder games, I would cheese every game. I win by playing better and better every game. I can watch a game from this week TvP and know for a fact I played better than my game last week. However you want to measure your success is up to you. I'll take the green streaks as a good measure of success and improvement though. It's all about the green baby.