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So I've decided that 10 pooling ZvZ is basically the optimal build on ladder (assuming all you care about is winning). Virtually everyone either hatch firsts or 6-8 pools, both of which are pretty well countered by a 10 pool. All the builds that do really well vs 10 pooling (gas-->pool, pool-->hatch) are basically never seen in the ZvZs that I play.

Thoughts?

I see way more pool-hatch builds than hatch first and very few 10pools. Good for me because I hatch first

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11-18-2012 , 10:26 PM

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goofyballer

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Really not having much fun playing this game these days, feels like I've hit a wall and I'm just not getting better anymore :/

2 of those wins were people quitting on me, 1 was 7pool spine rush, most losses were ZvT where I just wasn't even close to winning

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11-18-2012 , 10:54 PM

#13729

Needle77

No Longer Protecting

Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 43,231

If you ever need a ZvT ego boost I'll play you. My TvZ is awful.

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11-19-2012 , 02:21 AM

#13730

loK2thabrain

Tiger > Jack

Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 23,198

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Just macro better ldo

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11-20-2012 , 01:46 AM

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goofyballer

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Playing exclusively zerg to try to improve zvt, have now dropped to ~30ish in gold league and my MMR has me playing silver leaguers :/

Here's a game where I feel like I play better than usual, still lose fairly handily when his bio overruns my army: http://drop.sc/277102

Comments appreciated, I feel like I'm just really bad at 1. managing zerg armies 2. having a plan b when my army dies, in terms of being able to rebuild or whatever - like, once I run out of lings, he just runs over my hatch, my tech, and there's nothing I can do to stop it.

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11-20-2012 , 02:22 AM

#13732

Clayton

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Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 32,010

please help a brother out

when i turn on starcraft2, my headphones dont work anymore. what do i do? =/

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11-20-2012 , 02:47 AM

#13733

IHeartAsians

adept

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1,186

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11-20-2012 , 07:39 AM

#13734

goofyballer

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Looking at that replay I actually have no idea why I thought I was playing well, my macro is pretty awful. So I guess you can add "having no clue where I'm standing in the game" to my list of problems.

I think one thing that hurts my ZvT is not really knowing what my army should look like at x or y or z point of the game. Like, ZvP it's pretty easy - 1. maek drone 2. maek roach 3. max somewhere between 12-14 minutes (I'm not stephano!). ZvT...I have nfi what my army is supposed to look like at various points in time, how I transition from ling/baneling into infestors and ultimately corruptor-BL while holding off marine-tank pressure, etc.

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11-20-2012 , 01:00 PM

#13735

Mr.McNitt

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 535

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Originally Posted by aK13

Yeah investors are only really useful in TvZ...

yeah it's terrible because terran have this unit that can take away the energy of a buncha infestors whereas all toss have is a unit that for every point of infestor energy they drain they also kill one HP. which would be useful if infestor's max energy was > max health.

oh wait.

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11-20-2012 , 02:04 PM

#13736

Gospy

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Originally Posted by Mr.McNitt

Go on...

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11-20-2012 , 03:55 PM

#13737

Go Get It

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 12,441

Turn them ****s up!

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11-20-2012 , 04:19 PM

#13738

Mr.McNitt

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 535

I'm done G

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11-20-2012 , 05:21 PM

#13739

Karak

ELIte

Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,726

Looking forward to HoTS, but it'll suck not having a lot of time to play and being tired the times I can play.

My APM will drop to nothing, my macro is going to be garbage and my decision making won't be better than a 3-year-old's.

Should still be high masters if I switch to Toss though, right?

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11-20-2012 , 05:28 PM

#13740

goofyballer

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Spoiler:

Karak, post a ZvT replay for me to look at, I want to see what your timings and stuff look like against hellion/marine/tank pressure

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11-20-2012 , 05:56 PM

#13741

Mr.McNitt

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 535

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Originally Posted by Karak

you spelt terran wrong

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11-20-2012 , 06:43 PM

#13742

AngryDingo

journeyman

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 346

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Originally Posted by Karak

soooo....nothing changing?

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11-20-2012 , 07:53 PM

#13743

goofyballer

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narwhal, your new avatar is awesome!

I think this gif has a place in this forum:

Example:

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Originally Posted by Karak

Spoiler:

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11-20-2012 , 08:01 PM

#13744

goofyballer

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11-20-2012 , 08:06 PM

#13745

bsball8806

bff with birdman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47,301

goofy,

do you want to play TvZ tonight?

we can work on some of the things you're bad at.

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11-20-2012 , 08:19 PM

#13746

goofyballer

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Sure!

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11-20-2012 , 08:30 PM

#13747

bsball8806

bff with birdman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 47,301

i am free probably around 7pm your time

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11-20-2012 , 08:42 PM

#13748

goofyballer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 70,719

I'll be home maybe 7:30 I think, will hop on when I do.

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11-20-2012 , 10:27 PM

#13749

goofyballer

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Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 70,719

New balance test, playable through custom Antiga map:

- fungals don't affect psionic units (ghosts/HTs)
- seeker missile doesn't require an upgrade

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11-20-2012 , 11:00 PM

#13750

templar rage

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 3,749

Lol, sentry all-ins just got even more broken.

Also, not sure if it's a bug or not, but I couldn't spawn ITs while burrowed either.

Last edited by templar rage; 11-20-2012 at 11:23 PM.

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