my 2 cents ~

The general population just prefers those MOBA games, clearly. You can try to repackage it and cater to casuals all you want, but it's not going to make a huge difference.

People that like playing this game are already playing it, the core game is there. The truth is most people don't like playing Starcraft, especially 1v1. I think it's the best game in esports by far. But it's not everyone's cup of tea, and I understand that.

"Save HOTS", "Sc2 is dying" ..... dumb -_-. What did people expect? Infinite growth for 10 years until we're bigger than soccer? Of course it was going to slow down and shrink. And it'll grow more later on when HOTS is released. And then it'll likely shrink down again.

And this isn't the day and age that friggin custom games are going to garner some sort of huge casual player base no matter what Destiny says. This isn't the same time where Destiny and his friends were playing UMS games on sc1. UMS games SUCK. Why the **** would people want to play those UMS games all day when they could be playing LoL, Dota, or anything else? They wouldn't, and that's why they don't already. I really don't think making the UMS games a big deal like Destiny seems to think would bring a huge amount of people into this game. I think that's an incredibly silly notion.

The core game of starcraft, 1v1 and to a lesser extent team games is the best part of this game. It's the only good part of this game actually. And if people aren't captivated by that, do you think we're going to get them to play ****ty UMS games all day with their friends? Uh, no. They're going to be playing LoL and Dota and a myriad of other great games that there is no short supply of.

BNET just got an overhaul and it was a major downgrade compared to the old interface, although a lot more stuff should get changed, more advanced stats, better match-making system (for teams at least), overall rank not just dumb divisions, etc...

What we really need is a game like SC2 that has more of a luck factor and less skill. Skill should still win out in the long run just like poker, but there is a reason games like chess aren't popular.

Something similar to how a semi-skilled player could just run hot for a few days and win the WSOP. The top skilled players will still win more than they lose, but if it is all skill based it just becomes like chess and will never have mass appeal. Not sure how to do that in a game like SC2, especially since if it is dumbed down too much it wouldn't be fun, but adding some type of mario type magical item twist or something, but the first one that does will take over pro-gaming.

Also, the UI should allow people to enter tournaments for real money and stuff.

imo the UI should let you "connect" to major tournaments being played and observe in the game instead of having to watch streams, and follow the professional casts w/ audio streams coming through the game and their observing if you want, or do your own observing. But that would be too nice, and we cannot have nice things...

Completely agree!

If you haven't seen DotA's interface, it's just so much superior. It actually makes Blizzard look like a little school girl.

DotA has a tab that you can watch any game currently ongoing, you can move the camera around however you want, you can keep it locked on the certain hero, or you can have it follow around according to the player's perspective, which is pretty awesome - and you can filter games according to the hero that you want to watch. In addition to that you can have it as a directed camera so that the game actually does the work for you and will move around the battlefield(?) and key in on the actions and important events by itself. There are also graphs that give you a snapshot of what is going on in the game as far as who is winning in the gold and XP gain.

After a game you have a chance to be randomly awarded a cosmetic item AND most of them you can trade with other people. They have an XP system that actually makes you feel like you're getting somewhere and that there is a secondary goal behind the game.

And what is also cool is that they have tournaments up that you can pay to spectate, but sometimes they have free viewing and from inside the DotA client you can watch at the perspective of a commentator and hear their voice. It needs some work, but it's a huge step above everyone else.

As far as the BNET UI, they are upgrading it in HotS as far as more stats, and I'm hoping it also applies to people with only WoL as I don't really see myself buying HotS. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/763...ate-10_18_2012

But there is still a lot of empty space and a lot of improvements they could make. Blizzard's take on everything seems to be that they will just throw something out there and make it better later. It gives off the impression that they don't know what they are doing and that they aren't listening. And since there is such an extreme way that everyone can voice their opinion, they do exactly that thinking they are going to be heard. All it ever becomes is a big stampede and it eventually hurts everyone.

Like look at the people who constantly email sponsors and cause an uproar. Come on, seriously. It's so out of hand anymore.

I don't really see the point of being able to spectate tournament games. What would you be able to do observing for yourself that you don't get from the observer at the tournament? I think it'd be a good feature for ladder games maybe, but it just seems completely redundant for custom/tournament games.

You can make following the tournament observer a default, or disable it entirely for tournament games, that's not really the point - doing it through the SC2 client, and not twitch.tv or whatever (though that would obv be an option for people who don't have the game), would be incredibly superior. Observing whatever you want is just a feature you get "for free" if that's the way it was done.

What is superior about it though? Why would I choose to do that over watching a stream?

quality in a lot of cases.

Yeah, quality is one reason (it can be rendered as detailed as your computer will go, also a benefit for bandwidth reasons as the work is done on your pc instead of streaming 1080p video), but a well-designed UI will just make the stuff more available to you. You log into the game and it gives you a snapshot of what's going on in the world of SC2, what games are being played, etc instead of making you go to teamliquid.net.

JFC Wheat loses his ****, pretty funny imo.

One of the reasons League grew so fast was because they were the first (that I can recall) to actively promote largescale tournaments on their client. The front page would be a link to the stream. I'm sure you've missed SC2 tournaments because you forgot they were going on. It also helps get "casuals" interested too because they don't regularly check TL/twitch for things to watch but would if it were presented in front of their face.

Whenever people bring that up about LoL, they seem to conveniently forget that Blizzard also links stuff like that in the game. Maybe not as much as League or Dota2 (I have no idea about Dota2 fwiw), but they definitely advertise a lot of pro scene stuff. It's literally right there when you log in. If there are people playing SC2 right now that don't give a **** about the competitive scene, it's because they choose not to give a ****, not because they don't know about it.

The community stuff Blizzard posts in SC2 is terribly selective, outdated, and poorly presented. They had something about the TSL4 finals up for approx 1 day before it happened and for 2 weeks after it was like "WHO WILL WIN BETWEEN CREATOR AND THE OTHER GUY HE PLAYED?" after the ****ing finals already took place. It's really bad.

Blizzard does not link anything good for the casual player. If I did not post here or have friends who knew more about the pro scene I would never know it existed.

The equivalent would be poker sites streaming their pro's on twitch.tv or something instead of letting you view the table and only randomly mentioning them in their blog.

They definitely did not do that nearly as much when I first started playing SC2. All I remember from logging in to SC2 is a marine and "Welcome to Battle.net".

Also, the only stuff they link now is on the load up screen, and as far as I know, there is no way to get to it in the main client. I just click through that crap as fast as possible to get to the game.

Meanwhile, in the main UI, there is so much wasted space, why not put some news in there?

Destiny handled it correctly.

How can the SC2 community rise up, and overcome?

Connecting to major tournaments through the UI would be a great way to convert casual players to viewers. Tons of casual players have no idea what's going on in terms of competetive play. As a first step, just having streams available in the client would be great.

Hahahahaha

He could never win with all of them telling him he's completely wrong, so yeah that was about right.

Yeah that whole ITG debacle is ridic, ITG is sponsored by EG and Wheat obviously has the bully/******s idra and incontrol behind their backs, Incontrol has about the same tournament record as Destiny, and Idra has lost his flare completely like the last year. And they **** on Destiny and high five and **** and he rebuttals like anyone would and **** goes down.


DJWheat has since then apologized though and claims he didn't hear the stuff inc/idra said.... yeah the only people not apologizing is incontrol and idra.. Incontrol even made a ****ed up post on reddit as a response, what a immature ****ing douchebag.

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/co...ol_and/c6qyah6


EG is such a ****clown organization.

U mad?

Surprised it took you this long to post ohead. Did you forget where you put your white suit of armor?

Don't think any foreign SC2 tournament have more than 100k viewers atm.