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zvt macro is harder than macro in any other match-up

injects & larva count are far more essential, esp if you are used to playing roach heavy zvp style

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09-29-2012 , 09:20 PM

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Needle77

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Originally Posted by Thamel18

Dear goofy: No matter how good your micro is, 2 lings still can't beat 2 marines. Macro FTW

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It's also terrific that you talk about your difficulties without providing replays. Real helpful. Just blame balance like all other zergs.

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And you didn't even provide a replay. Get good ups, get infestors, get mutas/banes against bio, get roach/drops if you face mech. Watch one pro replay for good compositions/transitions. You complain about being bad at a MU but don't provide a replay? What do you want me to say? There there, you'll get better, even if you don't want to focus on improving macro.

Don't know how to control special units? Stop being so "Special" and learn by practicing IMO.

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I never said that, but I never meant to accuse you of blaming balance, sry. As for unit composition, I consider that part of macro. Engagements and such I consider just decision making.

This is a pretty terrible set of posts. I'll guess you were just rustled by USF doing work at that time.

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09-29-2012 , 09:29 PM

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Thamel18

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Actually I'm watching the finale right now due to DVR.

Edit: If anything would rustle me, it's the fact that these garbage big 12 defenses are going to practically endorse Geno Smith for the heisman.

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09-29-2012 , 10:32 PM

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rageotones

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How do your ZvT losses usually play out? If it isn't macro, I'd guess it's scouting or multi-tasking.

Once I got to high-gold/plat, I finally started running into terrans who could actually multi-drop, etc decently well. Also, scouting can kill you if you let a few siege tanks get outside your base before noticing.

Oh, and I've found never ever skipping a baseline nest is pretty optimal against T.

I'm curious what it is since ZvT is easily my best matchup, and we're about at the same level.

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09-30-2012 , 10:08 AM

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Karak

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Originally Posted by rageotones

the CBO might be interested in your nest strategy

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09-30-2012 , 11:00 AM

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bsball8806

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if you ever let a terran army get outside your base without noticing, you fully deserve to lose

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09-30-2012 , 11:09 AM

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Karak

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

if you ever let a terran army get outside its own base without noticing, you fully deserve to lose

Ftfy

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09-30-2012 , 06:40 PM

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rageotones

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the CBO might be interested in your nest strategy

ipad posting FTW!

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09-30-2012 , 07:35 PM

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goofyballer

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Since I bitch about ZvT so much, I will post a replay of a game where I probably didn't play that great but did win.

Spoiler:

http://drop.sc/259796

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09-30-2012 , 10:20 PM

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bsball8806

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ZvT at lower levels is like the easiest matchup ever

you can probably win without ever making anything than ling/baneling

just wait until he unseiges all his units (which he will do) and then A move

gg?

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09-30-2012 , 10:54 PM

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bsball8806

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does anyone want to go to MLG Dallas?

I have some miles that I can use

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10-01-2012 , 12:09 AM

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Needle77

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Playing against drunk Narwhal on ladder.

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10-01-2012 , 12:47 AM

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Karak

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Originally Posted by bsball8806

does anyone want to go to MLG Dallas?

I have some miles that I can use

Sure if i can use your miles

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10-01-2012 , 12:58 AM

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templar rage

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Playing against drunk Narwhal on ladder.

Lol what?

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10-01-2012 , 01:07 AM

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Needle77

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10-01-2012 , 01:11 AM

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Karak

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wow look at that score by needle

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10-01-2012 , 03:29 AM

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goofyballer

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I'm proud to report I just played a TvP (against a platinum opponent!) where I did not get a bank of >600 minerals until almost 14 minutes in. I looked at my resources at around 12:00, having like 100/100, and felt a little twinkle in my eye thinking about games past where I'd have like 3k/2k and be like AAAAAH HOW DO I SPEND ALL THIS THERE'S SO MANY LIGHTS AND COLORS

goofyballer's getting all growed up!

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10-01-2012 , 03:39 PM

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goofyballer

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btw, something I was wondering about yesterday - how did Zergs get by in Brood War before larva injects? Billions of macro hatches?

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10-01-2012 , 03:44 PM

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dlorc

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btw, something I was wondering about yesterday - how did Zergs get by in Brood War before larva injects? Billions of macro hatches?

Yup.

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10-01-2012 , 03:45 PM

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goofyballer

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That sounds tragic.

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10-01-2012 , 04:19 PM

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ohead

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tragic? with hydras that moved as fast as zerlings and defiler things were pretty swell

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10-01-2012 , 04:30 PM

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bsball8806

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also when zerglings were good

and when ultras were good

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10-01-2012 , 04:46 PM

#13348

Xaston

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Zerglings are awesome in sc2 afaik

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10-01-2012 , 04:54 PM

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dlorc

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Unfortunately, in BW zerglings could target terrans healing component in a bio force.

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10-01-2012 , 05:48 PM

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aK13

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BW zerglings beat marines 1v1. Also pretty sure 5 hatches on 3 bases was standard.

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