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You simply cannot win lategame straight up against mech, dont waste money on bls or ultras and just mass roaches with good upgrades, attacking everywhere at once.

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

I think you've mentioned building roaches in ZvT a couple times now. Cut that **** out.

head spinning!

The filter build is mass roaches, I guess I'd have to learn some new tricks :/ what should I be doing ZvT?

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08-04-2012 , 01:39 PM

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Mt.FishNoob

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Originally Posted by Deoxyribo

so tilting. when u win a game, all u have to do is click the bottom button then do it again to start a new game, but when u lose u have to click starcraft at the top then the search button.

guess punishment for losing?

press F2

sheesh people keep moaning when it is actually better now

F2 and click then ingame takes a millisecond

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08-04-2012 , 02:01 PM

#12453

Karak

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Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 62,726

went out with zergbynight and his girlfriend last night

dont really know what happened, but i most certainly drank too much

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08-04-2012 , 02:11 PM

#12454

Auts

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cliffs:

MC always wins
MC is ****ing good.

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08-04-2012 , 02:12 PM

#12455

Mittens

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

head spinning!

The filter build is mass roaches, I guess I'd have to learn some new tricks :/ what should I be doing ZvT?

ling/bling/muta vs bio or bio/tank

lotsa roaches vs mech

my ZvT was the only thing that kept me in platinum

Last edited by Mittens; 08-04-2012 at 02:13 PM. Reason: actual good players eventually use units such as infestors, broods, and ultras. It's never gotten there for me.

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08-04-2012 , 02:14 PM

#12456

Karak

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mittens,

it wasn't the only thing that kept you in platinum.

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08-04-2012 , 02:14 PM

#12457

Karak

ELIte

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in zvt ling/infestor into ling/infestor/ultra is the standard play now. not many people go ling/bling/muta normally anymore.

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08-04-2012 , 02:18 PM

#12458

Mittens

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Originally Posted by Karak

mittens,

it wasn't the only thing that kept you in platinum.

touche. It was what kept me out of gold.

I think you underestimate how much harder infestor-based play is for people with terrible mechanics.

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08-04-2012 , 02:22 PM

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templar rage

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I think you underestimate how much mechanical problems have to do with keeping you in platinum.

Edit: Btw, lost in IPL's "amateur" satellite. I say it like that because what it really is is a giant bumhunting fest for a couple mediocre Koreans.

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08-04-2012 , 02:26 PM

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Mittens

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Originally Posted by templar rage

I think you underestimate how much mechanical problems have to do with keeping you in platinum.

maybe I wasn't clear...

I should be in gold. I just happen to beat the crap out of platinum Ts because ZvT is ez at that level.

I know exactly how much my mechanics hold me back, but I don't really care because why would I want to get to better?

The whole point of what I'm saying is: If one has bad mechanics, like me, use ling/bling/muta because it's easier to micro than infestor/anything. Goofy's silver, it'll work great for him.

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08-04-2012 , 02:29 PM

#12461

Karak

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muta based play requires better mechanics than just about anything else. the reason i dont go mutas is because my control and mechanics are not good enough.

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08-04-2012 , 02:34 PM

#12462

Auts

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Best of Asus ROG 2012!

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08-04-2012 , 02:35 PM

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Willd

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We're talking about a level where mechanics are poor enough that you can lose an entire army before getting off more than 3 or 4 fungals. Mutas are far easier to play with at that level.

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08-04-2012 , 02:42 PM

#12464

bsball8806

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Originally Posted by Willd

We're talking about a level where mechanics are poor enough that you can lose an entire army before getting off more than 3 or 4 fungals. Mutas are far easier to play with at that level.

Mechanics have nothing to do with clicking F and clicking toward the center of his army repeatedly. Mutas are much harder because they suck balls in fights and if you don't have the multitasking required to harass with them, they're basically good for nothing except killing medivacs after the fight is over or picking off stray seige tanks (but this requires multitasking as well).

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08-04-2012 , 03:03 PM

#12465

IHeartAsians

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I just cheesed the **** outta fees on the ladder. Sorry buddy, but it had to be done, i cant let your race macro at will.

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08-04-2012 , 03:07 PM

#12466

templar rage

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The only real challenging thing about infestor-based styles is drop defense. But that's generally solved by putting up spines and a spore at all the common drop entry points, and maybe an infestor as well. This isn't optional either. Even basic drop harass can rip you apart if you aren't prepared for it. It's just easier to cover up with mutas because you can actually kill the drop, whereas a lot of times with infestors, you only deflect it because they pick up when you come.

Edit: With muta play, you need to play perfectly to win. With infestors, you force the terran to play perfectly or lose.

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08-04-2012 , 03:11 PM

#12467

bsball8806

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Originally Posted by bobman0330

I think you've mentioned building roaches in ZvT a couple times now. Cut that **** out.

Goofy, don't listen to bob- he just wants to be able to continue meching

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08-04-2012 , 03:33 PM

#12468

Mittens

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I personally find it much easier to multitask muta harass (because I can control when that happens) than I do to fungal correctly (because often my opponent determines when I need to do that).

I just won all 5 of my placement matches and got placed in... Platinum? Does your mmr reset if you haven't played in a while (I haven't 1v1 laddered in a year), or does that just mean my mmr was so bad that I was about to get demoted multiple times before I stopped playing?

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08-04-2012 , 03:36 PM

#12469

templar rage

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If you don't play for an entire season, your MMR gets reset

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08-04-2012 , 03:42 PM

#12470

Go Get It

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Originally Posted by templar rage

If you don't play for an entire season, your MMR gets reset

Link?

I hadn't played a 1v1 in at least two seasons accidentally got into a 1v1 game, lost, and was ranked diamond...

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08-04-2012 , 03:43 PM

#12471

Go Get It

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Originally Posted by IHeartAsians

I just cheesed the **** outta fees on the ladder. Sorry buddy, but it had to be done, i cant let your race macro at will.

Who is fees?

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08-04-2012 , 03:55 PM

#12472

IHeartAsians

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noob alert....

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/members/77696/

why am i even doing this work for you...

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08-04-2012 , 04:31 PM

#12473

orange

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lol what's his sn on bnet?

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08-04-2012 , 04:43 PM

#12474

Go Get It

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Yeah, how did you know it was that guy?

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08-04-2012 , 05:00 PM

#12475

IHeartAsians

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cuz his name was.....fees.

and i asked him if he won san jose, and he said yes.

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