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10-23-2011 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
1v1 bronze lol

dude gets 450 minerals, builds a cc, then flies it off to the edge of the map.

killed his first cc and the 5 scvs that were just sitting there, then went looking all over the damn place to find him before realizing I should scan the edges.

first scan found it thank god. game took like 15 minutes lol

This is hilarious to me in a lot of ways. The biggest reason is because you think it has something to do with skill in bronze.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuwxld70x3M

It's a exact copy of this. Which is one of the highest GM korean players right now
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10-23-2011 , 02:22 PM
It's funny because when I was coming back to this thread I was thinking, you know, I bet that's just something a bunch of sc trolls do at all levels.

Anyway, I guess I popped my cherry on this one.
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10-23-2011 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain
It's funny because when I was coming back to this thread I was thinking, you know, I bet that's just something a bunch of sc trolls do at all levels.

Anyway, I guess I popped my cherry on this one.
I love when I play a terran and they go ebay first and start PF as main and a **** ton of turrets.

I love it when I don't scout it in time and I fail to contain them and they rape me with mass tank/viking/banshee into BC
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10-23-2011 , 07:15 PM
Im getting matched against platinums every game and I'm beating half of them!

i think i might be getting a promotion soon wheeeeee
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10-23-2011 , 07:29 PM
not until they unlock it, bahaha
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10-23-2011 , 10:08 PM
brag: beat western @ csl 3:1
their lineup features 7 players over 1400 master league + ostojiy (5th ranked gm on NA)
HAR HAR HAR

brag: #1 in my KR division

beat: it's plat

variance: got the account after the leagues locked, so I can't advance out of it.
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10-23-2011 , 10:26 PM
can anyone extrapolate any reads from this data?

my winrates vs. game time:

0-5 min - 46% 13
5-10 min - 58% 51
10-15 min - 55% 43
15-20 min - 26% 19
20-25 min - 11% 9
25-30 min - 50% 4
30-35 min - 33% 3
35-40 min - 0% 1

Sample sizes are noted to the right of the %s. Obv some sample size issues, but my thoughts were:

-The obvious... my late game macro must suck.
-My 3 base macro is probably really good.
-4+ bases and I'm lost.
-I'm probably missing lots of injects as the game goes later and my multi-tasking breaks down.

I guess this is sort of a blog post really than a question, but I found those stats pretty eye opening. I've been concentrating really hard on my opens and 2-3 base play and that's all I really practice and analyze when I look at pro games. Perhaps I'm plugging the wrong leaks.

My late game ZvP, for example, is abysmal. It's not just that my in game decision making is bad... it's that I'm honestly really clueless on late game ZvP transitioning out of 2-3 base roach/infestor/hydra play. Anyone have any tips on good build transitions?
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10-23-2011 , 10:29 PM
A lot of your games are 5-10 min lol.
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10-23-2011 , 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
A lot of your games are 5-10 min lol.
avg game lengths:

ZvZ: 9:07
ZvT: 11:49
ZvP: 14:44

zvz is also my highest win % match up at like 60% so perhaps we have some big correlation errors here

Last edited by Karak; 10-23-2011 at 10:47 PM.
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10-23-2011 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
can anyone extrapolate any reads from this data?

my winrates vs. game time:

0-5 min - 46% 13
5-10 min - 58% 51
10-15 min - 55% 43
15-20 min - 26% 19
20-25 min - 11% 9
25-30 min - 50% 4
30-35 min - 33% 3
35-40 min - 0% 1

Sample sizes are noted to the right of the %s. Obv some sample size issues, but my thoughts were:

-The obvious... my late game macro must suck.
-My 3 base macro is probably really good.
-4+ bases and I'm lost.
-I'm probably missing lots of injects as the game goes later and my multi-tasking breaks down.

I guess this is sort of a blog post really than a question, but I found those stats pretty eye opening. I've been concentrating really hard on my opens and 2-3 base play and that's all I really practice and analyze when I look at pro games. Perhaps I'm plugging the wrong leaks.

My late game ZvP, for example, is abysmal. It's not just that my in game decision making is bad... it's that I'm honestly really clueless on late game ZvP transitioning out of 2-3 base roach/infestor/hydra play. Anyone have any tips on good build transitions?
try going roach and playing as greedy as you can, i.e. making as few roaches as you can get away while still getting 6 gasses and switching to muta/baneling
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10-23-2011 , 11:36 PM
0-5 min:

Zv*: 35%, 188
ZvZ: 21%, 133
ZvP: 73%, 34
ZvT: 57%, 21

5-10:

Zv*: 51%, 335
ZvZ: 59%, 169
ZvP: 50%, 104
ZvT: 36%, 62

10-15:

Zv*: 50%, 271
ZvZ: 35%, 58
ZvP: 47%, 112
ZvT: 62%, 101

15-20:

Zv*: 63%, 192
ZvZ: 11%, 17
ZvP: 69%, 81
ZvT: 62%, 94

20-25:

Zv*: 63%, 61
ZvZ: 66%, 3
ZvP: 68%, 29
ZvT: 58%, 29

25+:

Zv*: 66%, 27

Sample sizes too small after this. Confirmed: I lose early game, I play my zvzs fast, I win late.
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10-23-2011 , 11:55 PM
Its clearly very +ev to 6 pool your pvzs.
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10-24-2011 , 12:07 AM
:P I think those are 3 roach+ling allins.
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10-24-2011 , 09:54 AM
Study for midterm...make shiny graf...

decisions...

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10-24-2011 , 10:59 AM
Slayers_Taeja is now #1 on TL's ELO.
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10-24-2011 , 02:10 PM
so apparently kt rolster have overhauled their pc's, replacing them with i5's and gtx560's, and binning their crt's for 24" widescreens, which is somewhat overkill for brood war. this development intrigues me
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10-24-2011 , 04:06 PM
its already been announced that KESPA is considering adding SC2 to the proleague lineup and therefore teams have been upgrading their computer equipment.
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10-24-2011 , 05:28 PM
how long do you think it would honestly take for an A teamer to pick up the game, learn it, and then destroy everyone whos played SC2 so far?
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10-24-2011 , 05:37 PM
wasn't MVP an A-team BW player? wasn't he even on TL's power rank shortly before SC2 came out?

i'm not sure they would destroy everyone but they would obviously be the best players in under 6 months.
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10-24-2011 , 05:49 PM
Yeah you're right ^^.

I honestly think it might be bad (for SC2) if the highest tier of BW players eventually switch to SC2, as within a short amount of time they would dominate the scene and it wouldn't even be close to being "global" as it is now
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10-24-2011 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
wasn't MVP an A-team BW player? wasn't he even on TL's power rank shortly before SC2 came out?
he was, but that was on account of stars' terrans being really ****ing terrible at the time (and you needing to use one of each race in proleague that season). i mean the next best were probably sair (aka supernova) and piano (now in ace). he wouldn't have got a regular game in any other team

he might have been #10 or something at the time he took a game off flash in the msl, but i don't remember it. i could be wrong though, will check

edit - yeah, he got #9 in early may 2010, but those were silly times when kwanro was still a force to be reckoned with

edit again - checking back at his record, that was weird, in february he was in the b-team, then in april beats jangbi, best, stork, baby twice and flash. in that msl, he beat puma and squirtle in offline preliminaries. how odd.

Last edited by sixfour; 10-24-2011 at 06:30 PM.
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10-24-2011 , 06:35 PM
i mean we still see people like Huk and Idra taking games/series off of the very top level players. from what i understand of BW mechanics, the skill ceiling for SC2 is much lower than for BW so i would expect that the very top non-korean players will always be able to compete as long as they put in the time to practice.
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10-24-2011 , 07:27 PM
Haha its so entertaining to see BW-nuthuggers look for every single chance to discredit any type of skill SC2-players have. It's at most rampant over at TL where Flash could play blindfolded with one hand and win every tour for a year without losing a game if he switched to SC2 right away!

Obviously they are very good but its just too much
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10-24-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ohead
Haha its so entertaining to see BW-nuthuggers look for every single chance to discredit any type of skill SC2-players have. It's at most rampant over at TL where Flash could play blindfolded with one hand and win every tour for a year without losing a game if he switched to SC2 right away!

Obviously they are very good but its just too much
I'm not discrediting the skills that SC2 players have, but I really believe that the mechanics that the highest tier of brood war players have will transition very easily and will make nearly every type of play more effective when performed by them when compared to other players. Sure it will take time to learn a new game, but the mechanics are what separate the highest level of players and the mechanics that the top BW players possess are simply too good to be ignored. I'm not trying to be a nuthugger, but I don't see how you can disagree with that.
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10-24-2011 , 08:43 PM
its because he's a SC2-nuthugger
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