LOL map changes

RIP Metal

I'm somewhat surprised they gave metal the axe, but I guess I don't mind seeing it go. I really hate short distance close pos and even moreso super short close air distances. And the wide nat is annoying.

Brag: Placed into Plat on my new Terran account
Beat: TvT
Variance: 5rax AIs are pretty good TvZ, though I'll miss them since I only did it to get through placements quickly.

wtf metal gone???

In the interest of pointing out Karakkian mistakes, I should note that at the time of your post, I had only pointed out that you had "made a mistake" twice.

To Master/GM ldo.

Metal was never really anything special, so if Blizzard taking it back was the cost for removing Scrap Station & DQ, then good riddance.

Diamond is a wasteland of mediocre zergs that play a ton but can't quite make it to the next level (myself being one of them). The majority of my games are ZvZ, I get a decent amount of ZvP's and very few ZvT's. I think most of the terrans who make an attempt to be good at this game are in low-masters and beyond.

I'd really love to see some recent race splits by league. I'd guess that a lot terrans get into low masters just through perfecting the various 2rax openings in TvP and TvZ.

i got to high diamond (before there was a master's league) as terran by doing nothing but the 3rax... then everyone learned how to beat the 3rax and i started to suck.

if my 3rax didnt work but the game wasnt over, i was so clueless. i never had any idea what to do next or how to play with 2 bases... and i was high D.

then i learned 2 base builds as terran... but man if the game ever got to 3 base? **** it i dunno. i won with most of the 2 base stuff tho. i'd generally 1 base all-in zergs, however, because i basically saw a match up vs Z as a free win unless i was playing pwncakery. my tvz winrate on ladder was insanely high and by far my best cause all i did were 1 base all-ins. i really didnt have any understanding of the match up at all, would never scout, nothing... just make lots of marines and herp derp or make lots of thors/hellions and herp derp.

that's why i lsot in custom tvzs so much... cause i only knew like 2 builds that worked.

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I like how they just threw in there that zerg was heavily favored on tal darim, meta, and scrap station without qualifying the statement in anyway.

You would think they'd be more careful about just casually dropping information like that considering how juvenile the community is when it comes to balance talk.

I can understand Blizz wanting to maintain as close to 50-50 for all matchups on their ladder maps, but I mean, in BW there were maps that were like auto-lose for certain races in a specific matchup and people just learned to deal with it.

Apparently it's based on ladder win ratios, given that they quoted a percentage for Tal'Darim. What did you expect, a thorough statistical report?

"If Metalopolis makes a return to the ladder pool in the future, it will likely receive some balance tinkering, much like that administered to Lost Temple which resulted in the creation of Shattered Temple."

I read it as them saying zerg was 60%+ on all three of those maps. I'd rather they explain it or not mention it at all as it doesn't really serve any purpose other than getting people riled up.

For example, how is zerg 60%+ on metalopolis when they said they had to remove meta because of close position imbalance? Zerg likely has an insanely low win % in close position so that means zerg must have an insanely high win % in close air and cross position in order to get above 60% for all 3 positions.

Karak, if you want to practice against particular builds I'm happy to help.

i lose to any build with gateway units in it

so basically they're gonna put debris at the 3rd on metal. sigh.

Sigh of relief?

Sick, they removed all my vetoes. Now I can spread them over the 4 new maps.

Start with Searing Crater imo (or teach me a sim city layout for that map so I can unveto it ). I'm not sure why but I kinda dislike Abyssal Caverns too (& I just realized it's not named Abysmal Caverns).

Zerg probably does have an insanely high win rate in cross and close air positions. I've maintained Metalopolis is a bad map for a while now. In no positions is it balanced.

I don't quite get what you want them to explain when they quoted the 60% win rate already. For people with similar MMRs (on whatever range they decided was "high level"), Z wins 60% of the matchups on those maps while they win 50% or so on other maps, hence those maps being favoring zerg in some way.

Like you said, in general zergs have low/lower winrates in close positions, so it can be extrapolated that the zerg winrate for far spawns is very high in order to reach 60%. Even on the maps they don't mention, it wouldn't be surprising that close spawns are something like 40% and far spawns are 60% to get the 50% figure.

car got broken into today HYCAYCAHCAUCHUAc

Did you park next to mine? ****ing California.