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06-09-2011 , 10:37 PM
you beat me that last game when i mis-micro'd the all-in and then got supply blocked!
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06-10-2011 , 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JStunna
Ok vVvTime, no more coaching Karak.
kekeke

And that was just like 2.5 hours of sweating for funsies.
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06-10-2011 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
As soon as I can get my computer to boot I'm going to play like 20 straight ladder games. Could be a while though. I'm gonna have to replace my PSU soon.
Went 11-9, not as great as I'd hoped. Up to 1st in my plat league (lol) but playing diamonds. I've never ground out a bunch of games in a day before. It's nice to not be afraid to ladder 1s anymore.
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06-10-2011 , 06:59 AM
brag: zerg ez
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06-10-2011 , 07:40 AM
karak imba QQ review of a super douchey toss cannon rush into 1 base void ray i faced today:

http://www.justin.tv/karakstarcraft/b/287754050

you can find the live VOd of me playing it on my channel somewhere, but this was more fun
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06-10-2011 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
karak imba QQ review of a super douchey toss cannon rush into 1 base void ray i faced today:

http://www.justin.tv/karakstarcraft/b/287754050

you can find the live VOd of me playing it on my channel somewhere, but this was more fun
I lol'ed.
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06-10-2011 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
karak imba QQ review of a super douchey toss cannon rush into 1 base void ray i faced today:

http://www.justin.tv/karakstarcraft/b/287754050

you can find the live VOd of me playing it on my channel somewhere, but this was more fun
The Simple Plan and singing put it over the top. A+
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06-10-2011 , 02:06 PM
annoying pvt just now. on scrap, see he's on one base as my deathball has finished, move in and crush his main, taking the gold at the same time, but wait why am i being shot at by invisible stuff... ah, you took the island and made seven starports there, and i somehow left one scv alive in his main to unsupply block him. fortunately he never scouts the gold where i'm massing carriers, but that took a lot longer than needed
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06-10-2011 , 02:10 PM
That was pretty good Karak, gotta give you credit. I thought you were gonna lose that game for sure.

You're gonna want to just veto Scrap now and save yourself future pain sixfour.
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06-10-2011 , 02:12 PM
yeah, i might put typhon in instead, that ramp is annoying vZ as well

come to think of it, really should have made a mothership as well, vikings can't shoot what they can't see, banshees can't shoot carriers anyway
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06-10-2011 , 04:58 PM
vVvTime and I casted and analyzed some games between Idra and Minigun last night. Game 3 broke and has to be reuploaded, but here's games 1 and 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEck2xiMwfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Y35v2F2xQ
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06-10-2011 , 05:34 PM
going to hike up a 13er tomorrow, mount audubon. hopefully i don't die...
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06-10-2011 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by PJA
kekeke

And that was just like 2.5 hours of sweating for funsies.
No more Karak coaching!!! Where's the love for your 2p2 Protoss brethren?

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Originally Posted by Gospy
That was pretty good Karak, gotta give you credit. I thought you were gonna lose that game for sure.

You're gonna want to just veto Scrap now and save yourself future pain sixfour.
I thought it was pretty obvious that the P was gonna get smashed. The time he spent making those 3-4 vrs seems like it gets countered so easily, quickly, & cheaply by Z. Z can just blindly add extra queens, make hydras, & add a spore or 2 and be in pretty good shape vs 1base Toss in that spot, since Colo tech takes forever.
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06-10-2011 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by JStunna
I thought it was pretty obvious that the P was gonna get smashed.
Clearly you aren't familiar with my ability to fail, especially when I have to do crisis management in a game at 5 AM :-P.
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06-10-2011 , 06:09 PM
Stunna I meant when I was watching him actually play the game. I figured the P was macroing decently. When Karak showed up with all those roaches and lost them to the void rays I figured the toss would make more than like 1 more unit the rest of the game.

It just seems that nydus far away into losing your whole army probably isn't the best response to a cannon contain lol.
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06-10-2011 , 06:24 PM
i killed a gateway, a cannon and 3 probes

roaches are very cost efficient units as you can see in that video
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06-10-2011 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Stunna I meant when I was watching him actually play the game. I figured the P was macroing decently. When Karak showed up with all those roaches and lost them to the void rays I figured the toss would make more than like 1 more unit the rest of the game.

It just seems that nydus far away into losing your whole army probably isn't the best response to a cannon contain lol.
Oh, gotcha. The superfluous cannons the Toss threw down must've hurt him a ton there, since Karak's push did absolutely no damage, yet he still rolled over the P player easily.
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06-10-2011 , 07:36 PM
i think the guy being terrible helped too

that's a 1k masters player!
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06-10-2011 , 07:52 PM
Question for zergs: do you think cannon rushing is an illegitimate strategy?

And toss: do you think it's more +EV to cannon rush a hatch first zerg by walling in behind his mineral line or walling his ramp (or something else)? Does it ever make sense to get more than 2 cannons/how heavily do you commit to trying to prevent zerg from pushing through your wall?

Yeah I know BBV thread/wall of text, whatevs
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06-10-2011 , 07:54 PM
ramp but it's dumb it should be a normal type rush (This is me bitching about imba and wanting MLG maps)

and you really dont need more than 2 cannons

and it's not illegitimate. it's been around since BW. toss need to punish a hatch first somehow or they fall behind.

it's the super douchey cannon rushes that piss me off, but i rarely lose to them as they are a dumb thing to do.

Last edited by Karak; 06-10-2011 at 08:00 PM.
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06-10-2011 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
ramp but it's dumb it should be a normal type rush.

and you really dont need more than 2 cannons

and it's not illegitimate. it's been around since BW. toss need to punish a hatch first somehow or they fall behind.

it's the super douchey cannon rushes that piss me off, but i rarely lose to them as they are a dumb thing to do.
Thanks for the reply, could you explain what you mean in the bolded? And also how does a cannon rush attain douchedom?
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06-10-2011 , 08:01 PM
i just highlighted a vid out of one of my vods to show you a douchey cannon rush and me pozzign the guy (waiting for it to process)

also i edited my post... the bolded was unclear.
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06-10-2011 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
vVvTime and I casted and analyzed some games between Idra and Minigun last night. Game 3 broke and has to be reuploaded, but here's games 1 and 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEck2xiMwfU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43Y35v2F2xQ
Game 3 Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyCPgRiA2pY

Game 3 Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0-kJ048uo8

Sorry for all the tech issues in Part 2. Not sure what happened. Think my HD filling up with all the video files was the issue. Getting a second one soon.
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06-10-2011 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
Thanks for the reply, could you explain what you mean in the bolded? And also how does a cannon rush attain douchedom?
here you go:

http://www.justin.tv/karakstarcraft/b/287793054

look at me. karak video master today.
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06-10-2011 , 08:12 PM
Are you saying in close positions a 4 gate is stronger? Or does 'normal type rush' mean something else?
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