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09-15-2010 , 03:05 AM
I'll watch the replay to make sure I didn't do anything stupid first. I was pretty tilted, it was probably one of the longest games I've played 1v1. It's entirely possible that I made some glaring mistakes.

As far as what Karak said, I'll just say this. My win pct against platinum terrans is >75% but my win pct against 850+ pt diamond terrans is probably in the 20-30's. Having reasonable micro/good unit composition gets you very far. I don't really feel like debating this anymore, it's pointless. The Terrans that I roll against don't adjust properly and don't fortify their expos well enough.

Which brings me to a different point, DQ is now voted down for me. Being unable to ff that ramp really sucks. Stopping a well timed 3 rax push is hard enough with ff.

I'm like 4-10 in my last two league sessions, it's very discouraging. I wish I was better at this game.

EDIT: I never said T was imbalanced, at any point. Just that it's a bit easier to use and way easier to adjust at the drop of a dime. Vikings own colossi for minimal investment and ghosts hard counter templar in a vacuum. That's my only point. My micro isn't up to par with my ranking I don't think. That's my problem.

As far as VRs and Carriers, no. I don't think so. Carriers might have worked in mass, but I had to deal with drops everywhere, he would have spotted it and countered it. He was very very good about knowing what I was doing and adjusting fast.

Further EDIT: I think I was just beat by someone who was better than I am. Even with a slight econ advantage, he just knew what he was doing. He scouted very well and I made some poor unit choices. I went to zealot heavy and got bottlenecked a few times which really hurt with emp and a lack of ranged units for support. They just kept getting picked off.

Though I will say he did a ridiculously good job of EMPing my sentries/hts. I tried to ff behind him but every time he would get me.

I spent down an excess of like 4k minerals and still lost, I'm so bad lol. I need to really really work on my micro.

Last edited by Gospy; 09-15-2010 at 03:16 AM.
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09-15-2010 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Which brings me to a different point, DQ is now voted down for me. Being unable to ff that ramp really sucks. Stopping a well timed 3 rax push is hard enough with ff.
1 gate robo with an immortal before observer.
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09-15-2010 , 03:20 AM
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Originally Posted by bereziNLX3
no
just..... just
no.
you dont think a protoss with 4 bases is not better off than a terran with 2 bases turtling late game?

lolololol ok
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09-15-2010 , 03:21 AM
also i was just about to win a game that would put me back in first place i nmy elague... was just finishing off his army when...

my computer shut down. windows auto update decided it would force shutdown my computer to update my files.

...
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09-15-2010 , 03:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Cueballmania
1 gate robo with an immortal before observer.
This doesn't sound horrible. I will try it in some custom games.

I just feel if he doesn't go with a 3 rax timing push I'm setting myself back?

Basically 3/4 times I play a Terran I face a 3 rax timing push, and I rely on my sentry play to survive. I went 3 gate robo on DQ and when I went to cast ff to block him, in my head I was like ****, I can't block this what do I do? In retrospect I should have let him come up and ff'ed half his army up my ramp, that would have been brilliant. And, now, I know to do that, so live and learn.
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09-15-2010 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
you dont think a protoss with 4 bases is not better off than a terran with 2 bases turtling late game?

lolololol ok
To be fair, he took a third shortly after my fourth, and it's tough to say, I'm guessing he was just significantly better than I am micro wise.

I don't think it's that weird for a Terran player to win being 1 base behind at all.

But, yea I'm over it, I just need to stop tilting so much and learn from my mistakes. I let this get to me too easy.
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09-15-2010 , 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
you dont think a protoss with 4 bases is not better off than a terran with 2 bases turtling late game?

lolololol ok
That is not what you said, and that is not what he said no to. Really cheap way to argue with someone. Almost as cheap as playing Terran.
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09-15-2010 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
you dont think a protoss with 4 bases is not better off than a terran with 2 bases turtling late game?

lolololol ok
i disagree with mostly everything you posted in the paragraph i quoted. i didnt see anything written about 2 base terran turtling.
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09-15-2010 , 08:50 AM
im not sure what else "macro advantage" is supposed to mean
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09-15-2010 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pwncakery
Perfect time to whip out the 7pool =)
I discovered the other day that if someone 7 pools you before you have a marine, you can still fight it off without losing more than 2 or 3 SCV and be mining more than him by the time he's lost his first eight zerglings. I think it's better to go for a less usual cheese, like proxy gates/cannon rush/bunker rush with scv.
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09-15-2010 , 11:03 AM
DIAMOND HOW DO I GET TO YOU?!

Been top of my plat divison for over a week (got game 2 weeks ago) with 1050 points, just went on a 14 win streak before losing 1 (6-7 of the 14 wins were against diamonds) and my record currently is something like 85-65.

Does the game know that all I do is some form of MMM and thus won't give it to me??
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09-15-2010 , 11:26 AM
It seems like the algorithm has an internal rating of how good it thinks you are. It tries to find a group of players that it thinks are as good as you and waits until you've got something like a 50/50 record against them. The trouble is if you improve enough or if you beat some high-internal-ranking players then lose to some low-internal-ranking players - it gets confused. That's how it appears to me so far anyway.

So basically, if you lose to mid diamonds a few games in a row, it'll probably promote you.
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09-15-2010 , 11:36 AM
That....makes sense.

The guy who ended my win streak was a low plat who went 3 rax rines and just walked in my base cause I didn't bother blocking and had tried to proxy reaper =/

My last 4+ losing streak was actually against golds/low plats when I first heard of the proxy reaper and tried it and kept losing.

Is it actually common that people are promoted after losing a game?
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09-15-2010 , 11:56 AM
That's how I've been promoted in 2v2 every time
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09-15-2010 , 06:17 PM
1000 points in diamond, hurray!!!!!!
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09-15-2010 , 07:45 PM
i placed into platinum and was upgraded to diamond on a win. no idea how the points I arrived with were determined, though.
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09-15-2010 , 08:04 PM
Ship diamond league! Now I'm gonna get raped =(
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09-15-2010 , 09:37 PM
Lost to SeleCT. Seems like the guy is a dick as well. End of game I gg. Msg him "ne tips". He responds with "idk i never zvt" ........ cool dude.

Replay here:

Last edited by Wraths Unanimous; 09-15-2010 at 09:46 PM.
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09-15-2010 , 10:34 PM
^^fold pf obviously

and man am I streaky at this game
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09-16-2010 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Wraths Unanimous
Lost to SeleCT. Seems like the guy is a dick as well. End of game I gg. Msg him "ne tips". He responds with "idk i never zvt" ........ cool dude.
Don't see how that makes him a dick.
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09-16-2010 , 01:26 AM
God my crappy cpu pisses me off sometimes. Sieging your tank a second later cost me two games. Those banelings wouldn't have blown up 20 marines then =/
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09-16-2010 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Scary_Tiger
Don't see how that makes him a dick.
IDK might just be mad about the loss or whatever but if anyone ever asks me for tips after a game I usually try to give them something not just brush them off.
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09-16-2010 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Wraths Unanimous
IDK might just be mad about the loss or whatever but if anyone ever asks me for tips after a game I usually try to give them something not just brush them off.
He might've been saying he never plays ZvT (read: not TvZ), so he doesn't know Z's most +EV move vs x or y.
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09-16-2010 , 01:57 PM
But he does! >_< maybe I am just being a little bitch.
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09-16-2010 , 02:05 PM
Isn't he a T player?
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