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03-08-2011 , 06:17 PM
Me and Animal_Chin as well as Animal, Cuball and I all lost our placement matches and lose matches on purpose to stay in bronze. Its hilarious what we go against and the builds we do are hilarious. I had a 30 kill zealot in one game(I play random with these teams).

My two favorite games are me and Chin, he going mass sentry and I going mass raven and another game with Chin massing lings and I 4 nuke "rushing." Its ****ing epic how much fun we had doing this.
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03-08-2011 , 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
How dare you argue against the father of economics.

That's all I remember about him.
Keynes is not the father of economics. The father of an awful school of economics, perhaps, but not economics itself.
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03-08-2011 , 07:37 PM
Adam Smith, afaik.
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03-08-2011 , 07:56 PM
<3 hayek, mises, et. al
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03-08-2011 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Keynes is not the father of economics. The father of an awful school of economics, perhaps, but not economics itself.
Numerous historical economic books refer to him as the "father of modern macroeconomics".

If you have a problem with that, perhaps it's better to just think of it in the context of his influence rather than the how "awful" his ideas are/were.
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03-08-2011 , 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ItalianFX
AKSpartan - just curious...what is your background with Economics?
I became interested in economics my freshman year of college once I discovered libertarianism, ended up doing a lot of research and reading of books on the subject, especially those authored by the people Karak mentioned - Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich A. Hayek, Murray Rothbard, etc, as well as stuff from internet sources like mises.org. I briefly changed majors to economics but got out of it after I realized what a joke the classes were.
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03-08-2011 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by AKSpartan
I became interested in economics my freshman year of college once I discovered libertarianism, ended up doing a lot of research and reading of books on the subject, especially those authored by the people Karak mentioned - Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich A. Hayek, Murray Rothbard, etc, as well as stuff from internet sources like mises.org. I briefly changed majors to economics but got out of it after I realized what a joke the classes were.
tru dat
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03-08-2011 , 10:00 PM
Keynes is the father of modern economics in the sense that economics is a very good way for economists to get paid.
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03-08-2011 , 11:21 PM
too much smart-people talk ITT
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03-08-2011 , 11:49 PM
get money get paid

amirite?
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03-09-2011 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Numerous historical economic books refer to him as the "father of modern macroeconomics".

If you have a problem with that, perhaps it's better to just think of it in the context of his influence rather than the how "awful" his ideas are/were.
"modern macroeconomics" is not even remotely close to = "father of economics"

"modern macro" is a specific area in the context of all of econ

/karak has a degree in economics fwiw

and i always lol @ people who call econ classes a "joke." You either have a ****** econ department and/or you were just taking basic level stuff. The econ curriculum at my undergrad was widely regarded as one of the most challenging in the entire school. Some of my upper level econ classes were considerably harder than anything I've faced in law school save maybe 1 or 2 caveats.
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03-09-2011 , 12:44 AM
I have a degree in both math and econ from a pretty solid school. I think the econ department is a joke outside of the derivatives pricing classes I took. (Which to be fair was open to math majors only). /shrug. I don't think you can really compare econ to more technical stuff. It felt overly simplistic and just easy. It doesn't do justice to econ imo. That's what grad school is for I guess.
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03-09-2011 , 12:50 AM
Am I in the right thread?
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03-09-2011 , 12:58 AM
lol, kinda got derailed there, I have always just strongly believed undergrad econ is a huge waste of time and I know a lot of people I went to school with that agreed with that, so it's something I've thought about a lot.
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03-09-2011 , 01:12 AM
my school had a top 40 business school and econ was the highest grossing major in average salary in majors with more than 10 people when i graduated (majors under 10 people being highly specialized weird finance, math, business admin triple majors who hated their lives)

and the high level econometrics and applied monetary theory stuff i took were anything but "overly simple."

what econ classes did you take? any upper level? cant be many since you snap quit.

and yeah obviously math classes are more challenging when it comes to the mathematics stuff, but econ is a social science, not a mathematics course.
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03-09-2011 , 01:26 AM
I didn't snap quit lol I have a bs in econ. I don't mean to offend or anything if I came off that way. I just think that saying it's anywhere near the most challenging curriculum is false. The things that come to my head are ee/cs/chem-e/math/physics/chem/etc. I'm sure there's more.

As far as high level econometrics goes, you can't really do that without knowing upper div math stuff. I sat in on a few grad level econometrics courses. You basically have to come out of a math program to do it.

I don't think ranking matters too much tbh. At least not for undergrad.
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03-09-2011 , 01:39 AM
An Econ BS is a joke. Anyone who disagrees is an idiot.
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03-09-2011 , 01:41 AM
If you went to a ****** school I'm sure it is.

[x] apparently an idiot
[x] 99th percentile SAT
[x] 99th percentile LSAT
[?] more academic dickwaving in defense of my minor
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03-09-2011 , 02:05 AM
TNixon and I doing the 2v2 Co-op achievements winning 15 in a row against the Insane AI. We're doing cannon rushes. We got to 14. Next game I might have been like 5 seconds behind or something, workers don't pull off the minerals, long story short, I get my ass handed to me and we lose.

WTFFFFFF!!!! FMLLLL!!!!!!

We're going to get it though. I think we both ended up getting like 12-15 achievements.
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03-09-2011 , 02:08 AM
Doesn't seem worth the time lol. Can the ai figure out if you are cannon rushing?
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03-09-2011 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Doesn't seem worth the time lol. Can the ai figure out if you are cannon rushing?
Yeah, I think so. If you immediately go to their base, all of the workers will pull off the line and attack you, so you have to put the first cannon on the low ground and then like 20 seconds before it's done, put the 2nd cannon up top.

You want to try to get them to pull and then have your first cannon kill all the workers. Then it's easy game.

But if you don't do that, it's like infinitely harder, but not impossible.

It seems like there is some trigger that will cause them to stay on the mineral line, like your first cannon finishing before you get your 2nd so you have to time it and get your 2nd up so they pull off the line.

Then you just go behind their mineral line and put another pylon + cannon and it's pretty much over. Then just place pylons/cannons all over the place until you kill all of the structures.

Zerg is a little harder because you can't get close enough. So you just have to try to contain them the best you can and then get gateways up. But if you're able to kill the workers, it's so much easier.
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03-09-2011 , 02:13 AM
Hmm ok, that's kind of interesting. I've tried to play the insane ai straight up but I always lose horribly. I remember reading on TL about having to get creative with cannon rushes because there are triggers of some kind. That's even more complex than I thought though.
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03-09-2011 , 02:16 AM
1v1 it's pretty easy. I was doing it to get the Insane AI achievements, which also count towards the other difficulties.

It's easier with 1v1. Do the same thing. The only difference is that once you get like 3 cannons up behind the mineral line the AI will give up.

With 2v2 you actually have to destroy all of the structures.
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03-09-2011 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
my school had a top 40 business school and econ was the highest grossing major in average salary in majors with more than 10 people when i graduated (majors under 10 people being highly specialized weird finance, math, business admin triple majors who hated their lives)

and the high level econometrics and applied monetary theory stuff i took were anything but "overly simple."

what econ classes did you take? any upper level? cant be many since you snap quit.

and yeah obviously math classes are more challenging when it comes to the mathematics stuff, but econ is a social science, not a mathematics course.
I took introductory micro, introductory macro, and intermediate micro. The material I learned in the classes I literally could've learned in a day or two. Our exams consisted of a few very simple problems that were just basic algebra. There was almost no difference between my intermediate micro course and my introductory macro course. At that point I was changing my mind about going to medical school and realized that I needed to change majors to something more useful as a 4-year degree (unless I wanted to work for the Federal Reserve) which for me was chemical engineering.
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03-09-2011 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
I sat in on a few grad level econometrics courses. You basically have to come out of a math program to do it.
I have multiple high level econometrics courses under my belt as well as many huge projects analyzing everything from marketing trends to maximizing gate revenue at baseball games by manipulation of a series of small variables. I do not have a math degree, simply a knack for understanding high level statistics and probability theory. I'll give you 1 guess where I developed that "knack."

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If you went to a ****** school I'm sure it is.

[x] apparently an idiot
[x] 99th percentile SAT
[x] 99th percentile LSAT
[?] more academic dickwaving in defense of my minor
I'll jump on the boat here:

[x] apparently an idiot
[x] 96th percentile SAT (dumber than mittens) but 98th percentile ACT (lol do people even take this anymore?)
[x] 90th (i think? either way it wasn't so great... scored way under my testing avg) percentile LSAT
[x] tip top of my 1L class and now at a T14 law skewl
[?] more academic dickwaving in defense of one of my majors
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