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02-21-2011 , 09:15 PM
Do protoss players really still 4 gate or 3 gate robo vs T? Both seem inferior to gate-core expo or 3 gate expo.
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02-21-2011 , 09:53 PM
bad ones do, yes.

also, is this enough to run the game on ultra and cast/stream at the same time? so capture HD vid with camtasia while playing smoothly?

Specs:
MSI 790FX-GD70 ATX motherboard
AMD Phenom II Black edition 955 Deneb Quad core 3.2 ghz processor
MSI GeForce GTX 470 1280 MB GDDR5 graphics card
Crucial 4 gb (2x2gb) 1333mhz DDR3 RAM
APEX vortex 3620 Gaming case
250 gb hard drive
ASUS 24x cd/dvd burner.
Included: Modified coolmax 950 Watt power supply*
Extra 120mm and 140mm LED fans mounted to side panel for additional cooling. Fan's can be powered down if desired.
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02-21-2011 , 09:59 PM
Yes, but I'd get a new sandy bridge intel CPU as they are utterly sick performance wise.

Also if you want to capture ( record ) rather than stream you'll need a bigger hard drive.
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02-21-2011 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Do protoss players really still 4 gate or 3 gate robo vs T? Both seem inferior to gate-core expo or 3 gate expo.
I 3 gate robo / immo bust if they snarf some units into a FF's early or do the 1 base raven all in thing but never open it blind. I think white ra opens 3 gate robo a lot tho without immos too.
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02-21-2011 , 10:02 PM
My computer that I bought a few months ago has similar stats:

Some asus motherboard, I'm not sure which one.
AMD Phenom II x4 965 Processor 3.4GHz
ATI Radeon HD5670 1GB
1TB Serial ATA-II HD
4GB DDR3-1333
700W PSU

I can stream in hd. I also have 5 mbps upload which is a huge reason why. But I can stream with no performance issues. I think you should find out your upload speed though, it's going to be very important.

I can run ultra at about 35-40 fps. Not perfect, but playable. I wouldn't try to play/stream on ultra. I always play low just as matter of preference.

I'd look on amazon just for the hell of it because as a student there's free Amazon Prime and you can avoid paying sales tax. Tax+shipping on a new computer can run hundreds.

Lastly if it's anything like mine the fans are pretty damn loud. Something to consider if you don't have your own room or whatever.
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02-21-2011 , 10:06 PM
haha obv have my own room im 25!

and the price point on that from a guy on craigslist is 550, but it doesn't come with an OS, mouse, keyboard, display or anything. what do you guys think?
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02-21-2011 , 10:11 PM
Do you have a copy of Windows 7? I wouldn't put XP on that and vista blows. I'm not sure how much, but it will cost you a good portion of the total cost of 550 to get your own OS.

The video card is nice, but the rest seems meh imo, though I don't follow AMD all that much.
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02-21-2011 , 10:19 PM
I bet you have roommates though. That's all I was getting at. I shared a room last year and was still paying $1k/month lol.

I'm guessing you already have a mouse, keyboard, monitor? Costco has Windows 7 pretty cheap. Actually it's $120.

I'd probably look around a bit more.
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02-21-2011 , 10:20 PM
your internet connection is quite important if you want to stream.
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02-21-2011 , 10:21 PM
too bad i dont have fios like i did last year.

and i was thinking more of uploading vids to youtube, not live streaming necessarily.
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02-21-2011 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
I bet you have roommates though. That's all I was getting at. I shared a room last year and was still paying $1k/month lol.

I'm guessing you already have a mouse, keyboard, monitor? Costco has Windows 7 pretty cheap. Actually it's $120.

I'd probably look around a bit more.
Yea, I agree with looking around a bit more. It just seems that outside the video card, most of that setup is just meh. Fwiw, the card is ~250ish I think, so I guess I could see the rest of it adding up to be 550, but I think I might be willing to sacrifice a bit on the video card and improve elsewhere. Also, internet connection is a big factor. imo.

Fwiw, I'm not really thinking in terms of streaming because I'm not that familiar with that stuff, but more of just value in general, fyi.
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02-21-2011 , 10:23 PM
CPU power is more important to me IMO as I'm pretty sure the only games I'll be playing are SC2 (CPU heavy) and D3 (no idea but I assume it'll follow the same path).

ty for the help guys
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02-21-2011 , 10:28 PM
Also, I have the older GTX 295 and I run every game just fine, on max settings (other than crysis, but that's an exception).

Obviously CPU is a big factor as well, but I have an i7 and is D3 really going to be that intensive? Doesn't seem like blizzard's MO. I think whatever reasonable setup you get now will be fine for D3, since your looking towards the future a bit.
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02-22-2011 , 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
bad ones do, yes.

also, is this enough to run the game on ultra and cast/stream at the same time? so capture HD vid with camtasia while playing smoothly?

Specs:
MSI 790FX-GD70 ATX motherboard
AMD Phenom II Black edition 955 Deneb Quad core 3.2 ghz processor
MSI GeForce GTX 470 1280 MB GDDR5 graphics card
Crucial 4 gb (2x2gb) 1333mhz DDR3 RAM
APEX vortex 3620 Gaming case
250 gb hard drive
ASUS 24x cd/dvd burner.
Included: Modified coolmax 950 Watt power supply*
Extra 120mm and 140mm LED fans mounted to side panel for additional cooling. Fan's can be powered down if desired.
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Originally Posted by Karak
and the price point on that from a guy on craigslist is 550, but it doesn't come with an OS, mouse, keyboard, display or anything. what do you guys think?
I would be EXTREMELY leery of this deal unless this guy is dying of cancer and liquidating his assets to donate the money to an orphanage.

The listed mobo/CPU/video card alone are $550 even at a discounter.

Find out why he wants to sell it.

Hopefully he says it just doesn't boot or something. I recently had someone give me a computer because they were convinced that it was all hosed up due to overclocking or faulty processor or blah blah blah. I spent about 3 hours messing around with it and swapping out parts, turned out to be the $20 optical drive preventing it from booting.

A: $900 computer for free

B: Next time I'm troubleshooting boot issues, check the goddamned optical drives first.


But seriously, that's not a terrible deal for that computer if it's legit.
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02-22-2011 , 01:04 AM
Can you get free software from school?
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02-22-2011 , 01:06 AM
yea if i were buying a computer i wouldn't be doing it off of craigslist
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02-22-2011 , 01:35 AM
i'm looking forward to watching the karak stream.

that 790FX motherboard is badass too. i put 2 graphics cards on it to run 4 monitors, mostly for poker. works great.
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02-22-2011 , 02:10 AM
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System Information
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Time of this report: 2/22/2011, 00:08:16
Machine name: TONY-PC
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_gdr.101026-1503)
Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: OEM
System Model: OEM
BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU 950 @ 3.07GHz (8 CPUs), ~2.7GHz
Memory: 12288MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 12280MB RAM
Page File: 4431MB used, 20125MB available
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Display Devices
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Card name: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
Manufacturer: NVIDIA
Chip type: GeForce GTX 570
DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC
Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1081&SUBSYS_83831043&REV_A1
Display Memory: 4064 MB
Dedicated Memory: 1248 MB
Shared Memory: 2815 MB
Current Mode: 1920 x 1080 (32 bit) (60Hz)

Last edited by Jackitos; 02-22-2011 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Mobo is set up for tri-SLI if I ever decide to get 2 more sli cards
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02-22-2011 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jackitos
Mobo is set up for tri-SLI if I ever decide to get 2 more sli cards
Please don't.

I have been asked by friends recently, "will this computer run ______ on high settings??"

And I have seen some of these builds and told them that not only will it run Crysis 2 on high, but if they ever get an animation contract to work on the next Transformers movie, they'll be all set.

Game makers cannot build games that require $2k rigs to run on because very few people have them.

I'm seeing people put together computers that can ONLY serve the purpose of running 6 instances of Crysis 2 at a time, or doing ultra high-end CAD and animation work without breaking a sweat.


Jack, that computer as it stands will get you well into 2014 and beyond. Don't waste money.


Edit: At least wait until the 570's are $80 instead of $350

Last edited by Inso0; 02-22-2011 at 02:40 AM.
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02-22-2011 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
Please don't.

I have been asked by friends recently, "will this computer run ______ on high settings??"

And I have seen some of these builds and told them that not only will it run Crysis 2 on high, but if they ever get an animation contract to work on the next Transformers movie, they'll be all set.

Game makers cannot build games that require $2k rigs to run on because very few people have them.

I'm seeing people put together computers that can ONLY serve the purpose of running 6 instances of Crysis 2 at a time, or doing ultra high-end CAD and animation work without breaking a sweat.


Jack, that computer as it stands will get you well into 2014 and beyond. Don't waste money.


Edit: At least wait until the 570's are $80 instead of $350
Sometimes its nice to buy everything top of the line and have a 3 year window of which you dont need to touch a thing.
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02-22-2011 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Inso0
I would be EXTREMELY leery of this deal unless this guy is dying of cancer and liquidating his assets to donate the money to an orphanage.

The listed mobo/CPU/video card alone are $550 even at a discounter.

Find out why he wants to sell it.

Hopefully he says it just doesn't boot or something. I recently had someone give me a computer because they were convinced that it was all hosed up due to overclocking or faulty processor or blah blah blah. I spent about 3 hours messing around with it and swapping out parts, turned out to be the $20 optical drive preventing it from booting.

A: $900 computer for free

B: Next time I'm troubleshooting boot issues, check the goddamned optical drives first.


But seriously, that's not a terrible deal for that computer if it's legit.
Word to both.

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Originally Posted by pwncakery
Can you get free software from school?
No.

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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
yea if i were buying a computer i wouldn't be doing it off of craigslist
Meh I've had friends have a lot of success with it, but I agree it can be iffy.

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Originally Posted by Fermion5
i'm looking forward to watching the karak stream.

that 790FX motherboard is badass too. i put 2 graphics cards on it to run 4 monitors, mostly for poker. works great.
Haha my internet sucks (Comcast in my building blows), but hopefully over the summer it'll be better.
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02-22-2011 , 04:09 AM
Also, note to self:

I didn't sleep last night. Like at all. I couldn't. I laid awake all night and then slept 2.5 hours during the day. I'm like near delirious sleep deprived right now and can't sleep again. I'm running a fever and sickish, and this is prob why I can't sleep (obviously).

Don't ladder when feeling like this. I just took like 3-4 losses from players who I'm shocked have the intelligence to boot their PC up. Lost to the epic 5 gate stargate 1 base build. Amazing.

Is it cause I'm hitting my losing streak with an MMR? No, it's because in two separate games I've had more than 8 guys on gas at a given time, I've forgotten tech buildings, I've not built upgrades, and I've decided the 3 larva that auto spawn are enough and injects are for bitches.

Great way to get to my goal when I play when I'm feeling like ****, but I'm bored as hell, pissed off that I can't sleep and GSL isn't on yet.
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02-22-2011 , 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Also, note to self:

I didn't sleep last night. Like at all. I couldn't. I laid awake all night and then slept 2.5 hours during the day. I'm like near delirious sleep deprived right now and can't sleep again. I'm running a fever and sickish, and this is prob why I can't sleep (obviously).

Don't ladder when feeling like this. I just took like 3-4 losses from players who I'm shocked have the intelligence to boot their PC up. Lost to the epic 5 gate stargate 1 base build. Amazing.

Is it cause I'm hitting my losing streak with an MMR? No, it's because in two separate games I've had more than 8 guys on gas at a given time, I've forgotten tech buildings, I've not built upgrades, and I've decided the 3 larva that auto spawn are enough and injects are for bitches.

Great way to get to my goal when I play when I'm feeling like ****, but I'm bored as hell, pissed off that I can't sleep and GSL isn't on yet.
stuff like that happens. i had a ladder game tonight where i stole protoss gas for awhile, cancelled and scouted 5 gates off 1 base, so i cut drones and made 4 spines and pumped lings.

then he came down his ramp and expanded and i was like whatever ok back to droning....

then i finally get a lair and decide to go muta.....



O YEAH HE ALREADY HAD 5 GATES BEFORE HE EXPANDED, HE'S PROBABLY GOING TO ****ING 6 GATE ME, LETS GO MUTA!!!
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02-22-2011 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
Also, note to self:

I didn't sleep last night. Like at all. I couldn't. I laid awake all night and then slept 2.5 hours during the day. I'm like near delirious sleep deprived right now and can't sleep again. I'm running a fever and sickish, and this is prob why I can't sleep (obviously).

Don't ladder when feeling like this. I just took like 3-4 losses from players who I'm shocked have the intelligence to boot their PC up. Lost to the epic 5 gate stargate 1 base build. Amazing.

Is it cause I'm hitting my losing streak with an MMR? No, it's because in two separate games I've had more than 8 guys on gas at a given time, I've forgotten tech buildings, I've not built upgrades, and I've decided the 3 larva that auto spawn are enough and injects are for bitches.

Great way to get to my goal when I play when I'm feeling like ****, but I'm bored as hell, pissed off that I can't sleep and GSL isn't on yet.
I have no idea how you can end up with more than 4 drones (accidents happen) on gas. Manually select 3 drones -> send to gas or box a bunch -> shift click down to 3 -> send & profit? Are you rallying to gas or something?
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02-22-2011 , 06:42 AM
yea broken rallies set in the haet of a battle when they broke
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