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03-17-2018 , 10:39 PM
Eastwatch has 20 bases so hopefully this game doesn't play out in quite the same way as that last one or else we'll be here awhile
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03-17-2018 , 11:51 PM
Is this series pretty representative of the matchup right now? Because it seems like they're just making it up as they go along lol.

Edit: ROFL Dark has no balls. He definitely would have gotten the cancel on that bunker if he committed, or just targetted the SCV. $120k mistake right there.

Last edited by templar rage; 03-18-2018 at 12:08 AM.
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03-18-2018 , 02:09 AM
i think that was more 2 players who know each other cold and are trying to meta the other
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03-18-2018 , 11:37 AM
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He definitely would have gotten the cancel on that bunker if he committed, or just targetted the SCV. $120k mistake right there.
Yeah. Still, **** Maru, macro games are hard so cheese game 6 and 7 for the win np ez

I never see 2rax on ladder fwiw.
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03-19-2018 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
So WESG is a tournament that hasn't been on my radar at all but I just happened to look at the liquipedia and notice that...
- the finals start in 2.5 hours (7pm Pacific)
- it's Maru vs Dark
- first place is TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WTF

So uh yeah that sounds interesting. https://www.twitch.tv/wesg_sc2
did you see the pictures of the original hotel they were staying at? not sure 200k first prize would be worth it
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03-19-2018 , 04:41 PM
so I've been playing a lot lately and I'm silver 1 zerg now and goal is getting gold one day.
I think I played a 100 zerg games and I'm yet to build an infestor,ultralisk lurker,swarm host or viper (prolly forgetting other units).
There are times in the game where I get completely stuck and do nothing.
I forget buildings to tech up and sometimes build wrong building too.
The only thing I get going is I know unit counters from years ago,but all new units since HotS Im struggling with.
Anyway I'm having a ton of fun,I had crossed this game from my memory and I feel Ive just been caught back in it,watching a lot of streams too.
Back in the days I was terrible too ,I remember I used to download replays back then.
Minor rant:skins confused me a lot when I started.
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03-19-2018 , 06:12 PM
what units do you like to make? pretty much all the units you listed are the hive/high tech units so if you don't want to make those, you're likely going to either have to win early or have an advantage in some other aspect.

my new strategy is going completely roach or hydra-less in ZvT. at some point that might become exploitable but i haven't lost a ZvT yet where i felt like i could have only won if i just made those units
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03-19-2018 , 07:44 PM
I do tech up and upgrade units but so far Ive been more broodlord oriented late game (upgrading spire feels more natural cause you already have some corruptors,at least in my case).
Ultraskik I kinda forgot they existed xD.
Infestors I'm too afraid to build them cause I can't really micro at my level.
Just managing ling + banelings is really hard for me and most of the time its A move so completely inefficient.
My lings control is good early game tho(for my rank).
Lot of my losses are to just discovering an ennemy unit/compo (like karak said but on way lower level).
For example I lost to a terran that just walked in 10 widow mines in my natural then in my base and at that time I had no idea what to do.
Anyway I do see some progress in my skill and learn multiple things every game.
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03-19-2018 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by weeeez
I think I played a 100 zerg games and I'm yet to build an infestor,ultralisk lurker,swarm host or viper (prolly forgetting other units).
This is fine. Karak used to say he could get <diamond? masters? forget which league> making only lings and queens. Getting solid mechanics (macro skills) is more important for improvement than nailing perfect unit compositions. And honestly, of the units you named, the only one that I would say is a big help is ultras. (obviously I advise higher level players to make vipers but that's the difference between diamond and masters, not silver and gold)

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There are times in the game where I get completely stuck and do nothing.
I forget buildings to tech up and sometimes build wrong building too.
That's fine - it might be helpful to come up with a plan for each matchup to execute. For example, in ZvT, plan to make your hatch and pool, then a third, then a baneling nest, then lair and two evos (and get upgrades going), then a spire, and eventually an infestation pit, hive, and ultralisk cavern. Write it on a piece of paper if you have to so you always know the next thing you should be building. For ZvP, maybe your tech is roach warren -> lair + evos -> hydra den -> infestation pit/hive. Repetition will help nail that into your memory until it becomes second nature.

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Just managing ling + banelings is really hard for me and most of the time its A move so completely inefficient.
Practice microing these on two groups - have your lings on one group and banes on another. You can a-move lings but you probably want to r-click (and keep your attention on) your bane clump rather than a-move them to make sure they hit the units you want (marines) and not the ones you don't want (marauders, tanks).

It's easy to separate them - when making banes, say you have a bunch of lings selected and you just held E to turn a bunch into banes. Hold control and click one of your baneling eggs in the unit selector at the bottom of the screen, then hit alt + shift + <baneling control group> - this adds them to your bane group AND removes them from any control group (i.e. your ling group) they were previously part of.

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For example I lost to a terran that just walked in 10 widow mines in my natural then in my base and at that time I had no idea what to do.
I've definitely lost to things like mass widow mine before, heh. You just eventually learn different ways to deal with things. For mines...
- since they can't attack buildings, spines will help
- hydras with range upgrade outrange mines
- roaches will get hit by mines but at least tank the damage decently (a roach costs the same as a mine but it takes two mine hits to kill a roach)
- if mines are clumped, then a small number of banes will take out a lot of mines (just definitely don't ever run your entire baneling army near mines because then the trade will go the other way)

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Anyway I do see some progress in my skill and learn multiple things every game.
That's the spirit You can always post replays if you have specific games you want help with.
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03-20-2018 , 10:17 AM
i'm terran - how do i counter someone that makes only adepts off 2 bases? assume he's sending them out en masse constantly so teching up hard isn't really possible
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03-20-2018 , 04:16 PM
also got diamond

Spoiler:
as terran lol
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03-21-2018 , 02:37 AM
finally broke 4k elo/diamond 2, despite struggling so much vs terran. won a zvt of all things to get there.
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03-21-2018 , 02:47 AM
i also built 4 manner hatches in his main before he gg'd, making it even sweeter

also ultra/crackling is really good vs bio/tank. i gotta stop just defaulting to broods every game.

got a 65% winrate thus far in 1v1s. lose so many stupid games too. let's get masters this season baby.

Last edited by Karak; 03-21-2018 at 02:52 AM.
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03-21-2018 , 11:36 PM
GSL round of 4, soO vs Stats

No spoilers, but it was epic.

Go watch it
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03-22-2018 , 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TJ Eckleburg12
GSL round of 4, soO vs Stats

No spoilers, but it was epic.

Go watch it
watching this now. thanks for the link.
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03-24-2018 , 02:33 AM
wow that maru dark series just now

Spoiler:
like three 30+ minute games
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03-26-2018 , 01:27 AM
I just watched it after being out of town for the weekend

Spoiler:
raven-ghost is thoroughly disgusting and is worse for SC2 than infestor-BL was in WoL
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03-26-2018 , 01:30 AM
I just watched it after being out of town all weekend

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Raven-ghost is thoroughly disgusting and is worse for SC2 than infestor-BL was in WoL. It's embarrassing for Blizzard that they just said a couple weeks ago that anti-armor missile didn't need a nerf and as a result, we've had to suffer through all these games where ghosts can't be touched (because banes and hydras get destroyed with anti armor missile) and are free to snipe entire Zerg armies to death
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03-26-2018 , 01:46 AM


Seems fair
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03-26-2018 , 08:05 AM
I have finally gotten caught up on all the SC2 I was behind on and can now post ITT again without fear of spoilers. In other news...

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Seems fair
I was specifically planning for my first post to be a request for a GIF of this. It is, quite possibly, the most beautiful SC2 moment I have ever witnessed.
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03-26-2018 , 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I just watched it after being out of town all weekend

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Raven-ghost is thoroughly disgusting and is worse for SC2 than infestor-BL was in WoL. It's embarrassing for Blizzard that they just said a couple weeks ago that anti-armor missile didn't need a nerf and as a result, we've had to suffer through all these games where ghosts can't be touched (because banes and hydras get destroyed with anti armor missile) and are free to snipe entire Zerg armies to death
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Anti-armor missile is indeed comically broken, but it's not worse than BL/infestor. Like, are you telling me that your GIF is worse than this:

https://youtu.be/HCUflLNuNj0?t=25s

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03-26-2018 , 09:04 AM
omg hi!

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but actually, what *is* the counter to mass ghosts with ravens as zerg? seems like every zerg high tech unit (certainly ultras and broods, but corruptors...banelings...) gets completely destroyed by that, and every other tech gets cost effectively destroyed by the PF/tank line they've inevitably got set up. swarm hosts seem to have some promise but like we saw they have to be babysat even more than brood lords do while the ravens and ghosts can just run around the map and destroy base after base. maybe vipers + parasitic bomb?

is the only option to do what dark/rogue do in some games and mine so much more gas that they can afford to throw wave after wave of ling/baneling/hydra in and hope the terran eventually takes one fight that isn't insanely cost effective?
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03-26-2018 , 10:51 AM
hypothetical i was thinking about last night which i'm sure has been answered before but maybe not for LOTV:

what is the true deathball army (assume you can have ~150 supply of any unit combo in the game) vs each race? does it matter much which race you're facing?
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03-26-2018 , 11:17 AM
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omg hi!

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but actually, what *is* the counter to mass ghosts with ravens as zerg? seems like every zerg high tech unit (certainly ultras and broods, but corruptors...banelings...) gets completely destroyed by that, and every other tech gets cost effectively destroyed by the PF/tank line they've inevitably got set up. swarm hosts seem to have some promise but like we saw they have to be babysat even more than brood lords do while the ravens and ghosts can just run around the map and destroy base after base. maybe vipers + parasitic bomb?

is the only option to do what dark/rogue do in some games and mine so much more gas that they can afford to throw wave after wave of ling/baneling/hydra in and hope the terran eventually takes one fight that isn't insanely cost effective?
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That Dark/Maru game in WESG where Dark just mined out the map and ran wave after wave of expendable armies into Maru's entrenched defenses was pretty epic. I agree that anti-armor missile needs to be buffed though. It's lame that it is supposed to have this cool anti-armor effect and it ends up just being a better version of seeker missile. They should do something crazy, like get rid of the damage entirely and make the effect +5 damage or something. I would love to see a comp centered around cyclones or bio and the anti-armor effect.
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03-26-2018 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
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Anti-armor missile is indeed comically broken, but it's not worse than BL/infestor. Like, are you telling me that your GIF is worse than this:

https://youtu.be/HCUflLNuNj0?t=25s

Spoiler:
That video is hilarious but I guess the advantage it points out is that BL-infestor was all matchups whereas raven-ghost is currently only ruining TvZ.
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