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04-24-2013 , 12:43 AM
With F2 why does one need any control groups?
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04-24-2013 , 01:18 AM
Because there are times when you don't want to select your entire army?

Also, did anyone watch Artosis' SotG rip-off? He says it'll be more focused on strategy instead of news/drama, which I like if he manages to stick to it (and I think he will, since Artosis is infinitely better suited for a strat show than a news show). Yet I'm pretty curious to know why he's basically creating SotG minus JP (which I'm not particularly sad about since I've found him increasingly more useless as the show progressed). Artosis doesn't really seem like the type of guy to just say "**** you, I'm stealing your show", but that's kinda what's happening and its intriguing. As usual, the ******s on TL have run rampant with speculation, but I can't really find any solid reasons.
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04-24-2013 , 01:59 AM
All I know is watching Catz on streams tilts me cause he always wears those stupid ****ing glasses
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04-24-2013 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
All I know is watching msspyte on streams tilts me cause she always wears those stupid ****ing hats
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04-24-2013 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by templar rage
Artosis doesn't really seem like the type of guy to just say "**** you, I'm stealing your show", but that's kinda what's happening and its intriguing.
Kindve like 'The Artosis Hour' which he started right after day9s dailys got really popular....
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04-24-2013 , 05:24 AM
Played a ZvZ on Neo Planet S, where you can wall off the nat completely with two evos + spine. So I had my wall, and I think two queens behind it, and ~6 banelings behind that. Obviously my opponent derps over with 22 speedlings, attacks headlong into the spine, and like 30 seconds later finally kills it (losing only 10 lings in the process, seems a little easy), and then loses a ton more lings to the banelings, and then the next wave of lings obviously kills me.

Stupidest matchup ever. Either someone goes completely all in and I die to it, or they don't really do much and my investment into defense is wasted and I'm behind. How the **** are you supposed to win ZvZ playing defensively?
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04-24-2013 , 06:19 AM
1) is there a way to tell if your opponent is playing unranked? (i think when you check the performance tab after and it doesnt show their league badge, it means they were playing unranked, but idk)

2)does your MMR go up if you beat them?

I mean, their MMR isnt going down, so shouldnt yours not go up? It seems like MMRs will be artificially inflated if this isnt true.
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04-24-2013 , 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by IHeartAsians
1) is there a way to tell if your opponent is playing unranked? (i think when you check the performance tab after and it doesnt show their league badge, it means they were playing unranked, but idk)

2)does your MMR go up if you beat them?

I mean, their MMR isnt going down, so shouldnt yours not go up? It seems like MMRs will be artificially inflated if this isnt true.
Idk about #1 but yeah if you win over an unranked opponent your mmr goes up. I've only played unranked and a bunch of people at the start of games wonder in chat what league I'm in and say their in the ranked play list.

And the unranked player goes up and down based on who they beat. Idk about mmr, but I started playing silver people and have moved up the ranks and don't play silver or golds anymore.
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04-24-2013 , 10:33 AM
Isn't there no box around your name on loading screen if you are in unranked? I feel like I've seen a few without a rank but maybe just placement. First unranked i played was vs bronze, I was so happy. Usually high plat. Also hasn't happened since..
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04-24-2013 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Played a ZvZ on Neo Planet S, where you can wall off the nat completely with two evos + spine. So I had my wall, and I think two queens behind it, and ~6 banelings behind that. Obviously my opponent derps over with 22 speedlings, attacks headlong into the spine, and like 30 seconds later finally kills it (losing only 10 lings in the process, seems a little easy), and then loses a ton more lings to the banelings, and then the next wave of lings obviously kills me.

Stupidest matchup ever. Either someone goes completely all in and I die to it, or they don't really do much and my investment into defense is wasted and I'm behind. How the **** are you supposed to win ZvZ playing defensively?
Post the replay. You must have done something really wrong to lose this game.
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04-24-2013 , 10:40 AM
yeah like seriously that has to take a long time to bust trough there should be enough time to get other spines up.
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04-24-2013 , 10:50 AM
knowing goofy he probably stared at the spine slowly being killed
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04-24-2013 , 10:53 AM
lol that remembers me playing 2on2 with a friend, sometimes he just watches the game instead of playing it.
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04-24-2013 , 11:48 AM
girls day is definitely not the best kpop group


although i am a fan of their most recent release
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04-24-2013 , 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by gamboneee
Isn't there no box around your name on loading screen if you are in unranked? I feel like I've seen a few without a rank but maybe just placement. First unranked i played was vs bronze, I was so happy. Usually high plat. Also hasn't happened since..
Right, just a blue looking box around ones avatar.
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04-24-2013 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Played a ZvZ on Neo Planet S, where you can wall off the nat completely with two evos + spine. So I had my wall, and I think two queens behind it, and ~6 banelings behind that. Obviously my opponent derps over with 22 speedlings, attacks headlong into the spine, and like 30 seconds later finally kills it (losing only 10 lings in the process, seems a little easy), and then loses a ton more lings to the banelings, and then the next wave of lings obviously kills me.

Stupidest matchup ever. Either someone goes completely all in and I die to it, or they don't really do much and my investment into defense is wasted and I'm behind. How the **** are you supposed to win ZvZ playing defensively?
How the hell did you lose this? You can't blame the match up thats basically a free win.
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04-24-2013 , 11:32 PM
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How the hell did you lose this? You can't blame the match up thats basically a free win.
for sure. his next wave of lings should have been met with your next wave of lings/banes.

i'm guessing it's one of those situations where it's assumed the aggression is over....butnah.
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04-24-2013 , 11:34 PM
Lol I lose way too many games when I think "he can't possibly keep attacking" and then he does. . . It's SC2 inertia. Someone who's all-ining you has a tendency to keep all-ining you.
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04-24-2013 , 11:51 PM
Well wouldnt be an allin otherwise
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04-25-2013 , 02:05 AM
I mean in situations where I clearly hold their first all-in, then lose because I misread what they're going to do and die to the second one. Obviously it makes complete sense that someone who's all-in just failed isn't going to fall back to standard play, but I don't comprehend that in-game for some reason lol. Not sure if that's what happened in goofy's game, though.
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04-25-2013 , 02:26 AM
It's because you play zerg and the last thing you ever think about doing yourself is go all-in.
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04-25-2013 , 02:44 AM
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lolol this is just perfect

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Originally Posted by FishtermerService
As for right now, I'm turretting my way into diamond while Goofy continually dies to drops and ANY protoss air units in the first 10 minutes of the game.


I'm better against Protoss than you are! lolol good job good effort
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I mean, I guess. Sample size seems like it should be relevant here. 13 games vs 45. Either way, you're doing something right.
UPDATE!!!!!

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04-25-2013 , 02:53 AM
And yeah you guys were right that I basically just pulled my foot off the gas and wasn't ready for wave 2 of the all in. I played a ZvZ tonight that was basically a repeat, guy went fast pool + baneling nest and tried to get drones in my main (super early, like before my nat even finished) but I had a spine ready, got my own nest and held off his banes, eventually got a wall up, he kept sending lings/banes and I rebuilt spines/evos when necessary to keep it up and eventually teched to mutas to win (he countered with a bunch of roaches but I had enough lings + mutas to hold). Just need to keep concentrating and not get complacent.
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04-25-2013 , 03:38 AM
Thoughts on this replay? Opponent is a masters player, maybe he was drunk and playing unranked or something. I was ahead for a lot of it but didn't really know how to take advantage (soooo easy for Protoss to hold 3 bases on Akilon), traded fairly evenly except for one or two bad engagements and eventually got grinded down. Not sure if I'm supposed to make some sort of tech transition at some point to a better endgame composition. One of my first games building vipers.

The only thing that jumped out at me was that I prob could have won the game if I didn't retreat from my attack at ~22:00, but he did have two colossi popping so maybe he would have held with those.

http://drop.sc/327348
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04-25-2013 , 01:53 PM
530:630 ur macro slips up a bit as you have lava and minerals unused and this snowballs

When scoutingt he 1 gate expo I'm not sure if its a good idea or not but I would have made about 8 sets of lings before droning to deny/delay his expo/get info, losing the queen was bad also. YOu ahve a bunch of lings at 8 minutes, but it is too late now, and those are drones you don't have. Your 3rd is also kind of late.

At 18 mins your main is oversaturated and 3rd slightly under saturated, add a few drones at 3rd... I think there is 14 on minerals, 18-20 is better. YOu also have 1800 minerals, by now you should have a macro hatch or two so you can spam lings after using gas... use them for runbys to 3rd and nat or in your army. IT would be gg at 18 mins had you had enough lava to mkae a tonne of lings to max out and ranby. I stopped watching at 22 mins.

Two ways I see of drastically improving

1)Make macro hatch and use groups of lings similar to a terran would drop
2)When microing, do not control your whole army, box small groups to shift focus fire, box small groups to move stop to extend attacking surface area. Split army into surrounds.. Roach hydra is similar to bio, in the respect that you want small groups working together.

ALso guys come onto EU and play vs me stehorz 317 or give me your NA details. I want to assert my dominance.

ed: at the end of the game you leave with 2500 mins and 2500 gas... shouldn't be happening.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 04-25-2013 at 02:05 PM.
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