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biggest thing you're missing is banelings don't do damage to friendly units. that's pretty much the only thing that doesn't completely suck from an opponent's perspective.

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04-09-2013 , 07:54 PM

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Deoxyribo

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i have that in there. but also widow mines dont do damage to other widow mines afaik

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04-09-2013 , 08:01 PM

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bobman0330

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you guys know banelings can attack without burrowing first, right? That should revolutionize your zvt play.

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04-09-2013 , 08:46 PM

#15079

Go Get It

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More broken, blue flame hellions in WoL pre nerf or widow mines in HotS pre nerf?

And why does terran always get the cool ****?

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04-09-2013 , 09:00 PM

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Gospy

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I'd think bf hellions by a lot.

That elevator play at MLG right before it was nerfed was nasty.

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04-09-2013 , 09:11 PM

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bsball8806

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I remember that was MLG Anaheim when all the Slayers terrans just destroyed, right?

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04-10-2013 , 12:47 AM

#15082

SuperSnort

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what was so good about the hellions?

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04-10-2013 , 01:54 AM

#15083

Deoxyribo

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blue flame upgrade did +10 to light instead of +5 iirc

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04-10-2013 , 02:31 AM

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Eifersuchtig

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They two shot mineral lines. Couldn't kill the hellions before they killed all your workers. GG

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04-10-2013 , 04:40 AM

#15085

gamboneee

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Originally Posted by Gospy

I'd think bf hellions by a lot.

That elevator play at MLG right before it was nerfed was nasty.

right before this got nerfed is basically when i got into watching sc2. seeing like 25% of TvTs having over 100 workers killed was so sick. i was pretty upset i didnt start playing til post z patch =(

Last edited by gamboneee; 04-10-2013 at 04:40 AM. Reason: LINE EM UP

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04-10-2013 , 11:33 PM

#15086

rageotones

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i just won my first zvz where i scouted muta and didn't go muta b/c i knew i wouldn't be able to out muta him.

pretty happy to know it's possible.

http://drop.sc/321683

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04-11-2013 , 10:32 PM

#15087

templar rage

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For everyone on here who remembers Deezer, he is playing LoL now. Not only that, but he's actually on a team that has a legit chance at qualifying for LCS.

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04-11-2013 , 10:40 PM

#15088

Kowalski

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Deezer, NOOOOOOOOO

Used to love watching Destiny's stream

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04-12-2013 , 12:41 AM

#15089

goofyballer

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I won a ZvZ! I won a ZvZ! I out-mutaed somebody and held his ling-bane counters when he realized he couldn't stop them!

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04-12-2013 , 09:35 AM

#15090

MonsterJMcgee

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Originally Posted by rageotones

i just won my first zvz where i scouted muta and didn't go muta b/c i knew i wouldn't be able to out muta him.

pretty happy to know it's possible.

http://drop.sc/321683

are you sure you weren't just better than him?

Seems like not going muta is zvz is always the wrong choice.

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04-12-2013 , 10:51 AM

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rageotones

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I disagree. I don't think the best response if you know you're going to be behind in mutas is to keep making mutas.

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04-12-2013 , 12:11 PM

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MonsterJMcgee

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Originally Posted by rageotones

I disagree. I don't think the best response if you know you're going to be behind in mutas is to keep making mutas.

I think I agree with this, my point was that he should have lost because the optimal strat zvz is always mutas. If you're behind in mutas and can't compete then you're forced into playing a turtling roach/hydra/infestor + static air defense style which is obv inferior since your 3rd is delayed and you give your opponent complete map control.

I could be wrong but it just seems like if you're not winning the muta battle you should always lose if skill is equal.

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04-12-2013 , 12:15 PM

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MonsterJMcgee

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whoops didn't realize you posted the replay, which I haven't watched yet lol

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04-12-2013 , 01:40 PM

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goofyballer

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Was it really such a close decision between roach-hydra-infestor and mutas in WoL that the changes in HotS have blown it away? If you have a solid roach-hydra-infestor army it's still pretty ****ing hard for mutas to engage that, right? And spores are at least more effective at home than they were in WoL...

I say this as someone who really, really doesn't want to jump on the muta vs muta all day errrrrrday train.

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04-12-2013 , 01:52 PM

#15095

Go Get It

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The last two masters zergs I've played, I play nothing but unranked games, have been whiny bitches. The last one accused me of maphacking. Are zergs just that mad???

The answer is, yes.

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04-12-2013 , 01:56 PM

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goofyballer

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Most Protosses are so bad that having to maphack to beat a Zerg sounds about right.

What builds are you doing PvZ these days? I basically never lose to FFE but gateway expands have given me trouble. With the mship core I dunno why Toss would FFE anymore.

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04-12-2013 , 02:13 PM

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MonsterJMcgee

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

What about harass though? Obv that army can engage a muta army, but isn't getting there sorta the problem? It's hard to be ahead anyway when mutas can control the map, take out your overlords, delay your 3rd while taking as many bases as they want, etc etc. Seems impossible that the muta player wouldn't have a substantial econ advantage.

idk I could be way off. I too am tired of muta v muta every game, but I just don't see a better option.

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04-12-2013 , 02:19 PM

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goofyballer

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Leave some infestors at home for fungals and don't **** them up? Which may be impossibly hard now, lol

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04-12-2013 , 02:43 PM

#15099

Go Get It

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I always forget to get a mothership core. It's such a good unit too, and you basically need one vs terran.

I almost always FFE into double stargate, then sometimes voids sometimes two oracles into voids. And when all else fails try to get HT's.

And I think, if I knew how to do it, double robo would be strong vs zerg. Like double robo, get a third base, add stargate into tempest.