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04-18-2012 , 10:23 PM
like, the actual 'theory and strategy' in this game aren't really too deep...you're not a genius if you build some corruptors when you see he's got an early colo out. sure, it helps to recognize early build orders (if i see a terran get an early gas and he hasn't expanded by like 5 minutes, i can probably assume he's 1-1-1ing). the thing holding you back is probably just straight mechanics...
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04-18-2012 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by orange
just post your replays here...people are more than willing to look over your stuff if you post. you can get into practice groups/etc on TL if you'd like as well. i feel like anyone who is willing to mildly work towards getting masters can get it (play like 5 games a day+/watch the replays/etc).
Yeah I really should do this.

The last point I'll make is that templarrage made the same post that I said people that didn't struggle at all to get to masters make- that if you aren't in masters, it can't possibly be due to anything other than your macro/build orders sucking.

Let me ask you this TR: what leagues have you been in each season? I really am interested in hearing from someone that started in like, bronze league and made their way slowly up to masters.
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04-18-2012 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by orange
like, the actual 'theory and strategy' in this game aren't really too deep...you're not a genius if you build some corruptors when you see he's got an early colo out. sure, it helps to recognize early build orders (if i see a terran get an early gas and he hasn't expanded by like 5 minutes, i can probably assume he's 1-1-1ing). the thing holding you back is probably just straight mechanics...
idk man I'm sort of confused at this point.
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04-18-2012 , 10:32 PM
whats your bnet name? feel free to pm if you don't want to share...would be glad to practice some with you if you want. (or look over replays/etc).
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04-18-2012 , 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
Yeah I really should do this.

The last point I'll make is that templarrage made the same post that I said people that didn't struggle at all to get to masters make- that if you aren't in masters, it can't possibly be due to anything other than your macro/build orders sucking.

Let me ask you this TR: what leagues have you been in each season? I really am interested in hearing from someone that started in like, bronze league and made their way slowly up to masters.
I started in gold, then made diamond reasonably quickly, then it took me almost a year to get into masters. Most of that year was spent pretty much hovering on the verge of promotion, but never quite making it. If that's not a struggle, then IDK what is.

Now, I'm going to sound a little hypocritical and say the reason it took me so long had almost nothing to do with my macro. That being said, there's a pretty big difference between someone who was idling in plat for 4 seasons and just getting promoted, and someone who was idling in high diamond for about that length of time. High diamond might as well be masters, but maybe you're missing something that's just kicking you in the nuts every time you get close. For me, I would get to playing Masters players, then run into like 10 games of cheese/all-ins in a row and get knocked right back down because I was awful at defending it. I would crush Masters players in a macro game, then lose to the dumbest ****. Karak even asked me once why the **** I wasn't in Masters, and that's pretty much the answer.

Also, on my smurf, I have routinely stomped people at about your stated level doing completely trollish things. I've won games vs people at that level with things like mass queens, a 40+ hydra doom drop in ZvT, mech in TvP, Skytoss in all matchups, etc. You think I could do that if people's mechanics at that level were actually as good as you seem to think yours are? Maybe you're some kind of outlier, but I highly doubt it. And with no proof to the contrary, I'm going to assume that's exactly the level you're at currently.

I also agree with orange. Post some replays so we can try to help. I doubt there's much some GM player you hire as a coach could/would tell you at this point that we wouldn't be able to for free.
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04-19-2012 , 12:45 AM
I echo BSball's complaints. It does seem like the micro stakes forums of "How do I get to .5/1?" "Play better".
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04-19-2012 , 12:48 AM
cueball i dont think you are qualified to discuss making above gold league

sorry
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04-19-2012 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
cueball i dont think you are qualified to discuss making above gold league

sorry
But now I'm just plat... now I'm just plat... oh oh oh.
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04-19-2012 , 01:37 AM
Maps being used at Dreamhack this weekend:

ESV Vicious:



ESV Frigid Pass:

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04-19-2012 , 03:22 AM
had my first game where the entire map was mined out except for like 300 total minerals

was a zvp and i won at the end with like 14 spines, 3 brood lords, 2 corruptors and 8 roaches, and like 2 drones long distance mining the last 200 mins.
was an hour long game in sc time.
entire map mined out, lol. pretty insane
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04-19-2012 , 08:07 AM
My thoughts on those maps:

ESV vicious: Lots of wide open space, but the third is really far from the natural and easy to abuse from high ground. Seems like Ts will love to pick it against Z or P, even though they can't really cut it in half. There's a good amount of open space and attacking paths, but this map seems so similar to TDA, no central expansions and the 4 watchtowers.

Frigid pass: The main and nat are pretty similar to vicious, cramped and easy to secure. The third is pretty easy to as well, but the wide ramps are probably tough to wall off. Reminds me most of shakuras plateau but with a little more attacking freedom thanks to the rocks horizontally between fourth bases.
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04-19-2012 , 08:51 AM
Hmmmm...drunk posting about starcraft

Always a good decision!
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04-19-2012 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by orange
whats your bnet name? feel free to pm if you don't want to share...would be glad to practice some with you if you want. (or look over replays/etc).
Jeremy

Thanks

Im in NYC for a conference today but I'll post some when I get home tonight
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04-19-2012 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by bsball8806
Yeah I really should do this.

The last point I'll make is that templarrage made the same post that I said people that didn't struggle at all to get to masters make- that if you aren't in masters, it can't possibly be due to anything other than your macro/build orders sucking.

Let me ask you this TR: what leagues have you been in each season? I really am interested in hearing from someone that started in like, bronze league and made their way slowly up to masters.
I started in bronze during the beta/at launch. Hit masters a week our so after it came out and peaked top ~800 masters. It's doable.
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04-19-2012 , 02:12 PM
ah, the good old days
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04-19-2012 , 05:58 PM
Stephano extending break from studies, going to Korea. Excited
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04-19-2012 , 11:07 PM
Why is DPS not a thing we can observe in casted/replayed games?
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04-20-2012 , 01:35 AM
What dps would u want to measure? Total dps of total army?
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04-20-2012 , 02:16 AM
i just nearly beat lzgamer on ladder

but then i didnt
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04-20-2012 , 04:34 AM
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What dps would u want to measure? Total dps of total army?
Yea, and defensive buildings and workers if they are doing damage. Would just be fun to see crazy number spikes when collosus are shredding bio and when fully stimmed bio is attack whatever. Baneling landmines and ****.
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04-20-2012 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
i just nearly beat lzgamer on ladder

but then i didnt
T_T

http://www.twitch.tv/lzgamertv/b/315552311?t=29m22s
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04-20-2012 , 02:10 PM
Move to the replay thread IMO.
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04-20-2012 , 05:39 PM
Beat: Working until 9 today =(
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04-20-2012 , 07:38 PM
something something weed
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04-21-2012 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Karak
There's a reason he plays sc2 for a living and you play 10/20 LHE

Spoiler:
trollolol
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