Stop pairing me with complete **** zergs 2v2 against TT and TP tyty

And 4 marines shut down that OL before it sees anything.

I mean if we are talking about seeing what a person sitting on 1 base is doing behind their walloff then obv scan is pretty good at that, but no one really plays like that anymore anyway so its not that great. In terms of its actual application in scouting in the mid game, scan is essentially worthless. It is way too expensive and has no guarantee of actually seeing the tech you are looking for. I use it to check for lair timing against Z, but that's about it.

Playing against good zerg players with creep/overlord spread is like playing against someone with ****ing map hacks. I literally cannot do anything outside the confines of my base without them knowing instantly. Lings are pretty good at holding xel naga towers too.

by itself perhaps.
but a mule cannot do drops

in fact. we can either scan to scout, or supply drop to increase our max supply

an overlord does BOTH! How in the **** is no one discussing how op that is!?!?!?!?!

also, regarding all the bitching about MULEs, i think the entire orbital command is absurd. getting 3 sick abilities (MULE, scan, call down supply) for 1 upgrade that only costs minerals is pretty silly.

Opportunity cost of a scan: 270 minerals that could have been a MULE. Happens in a defined area over a defined time frame. Occurs instantly.

Cost of OL speed: 100/100 & 60 seconds, allows possible scouting of much larger areas in mid/late game at much smaller risk with no additional costs for repetition other than increased risk. Add a 50/50 if you want a near uncatchable overseer.

you can make like 14 workers at a time, stfu

more zerg bull****

what is the downside of getting a lair? none
what is the downside of getting a hive? none

what is the downside of getting a OC? HUGE! we lose our planetary fortress.

^lol

lair?

I disagree with a lot of this. Firstly, the mules dont affect saturation levels, additional probes or drones do. Which makes applying them straight across incorrect imo. Secondly, mules also don't affect supply, the addition probes do. Not as big of a deal early game but when you watch Puma go head to head with Idra for 20 mins on 22 scvs, its hilarious. Thirdly, Chrono speeds up the build time of a unit or upgrade, if you miss a pylon when hold off an attack you cant just call down a pylon to save your ass...you die. Same thing in regards to the detection of the scan. If a terran gets cloak and I dont have a robo I die. I don't see how you dispute that a scan is the best of all options. Obs are cloaked yes, but anyone whos decent at this game can spot one and scan and kill the paper weight. OLs can be denied easily as well.

Can someone tell me why this is a bad idea?

I think its a good idea.

Stay on yo hatch tech all game. Want me to count the barracks as a cost for the OC then? The pool to get lair, the geysers to mine gas? It's a prereq just like lair for overlord speed/overseers. I have more to discuss by the way, this is only the tip of the iceberg.

Also, not a bad idea at all pwn.

I mean all we are doing now is saying "different races are different".

I'm not saying OCs are bad. They aren't obviously. But so is chronoboost and warpgates. So is the ability to stock up on larva. It makes no sense to just point to one of these things in a vacuum and say it is OP.

I also don't agree with the notion that we need to add a cooldown to "punish" terrans more for missing their mules. It seems to me that if you look at the big picture (and not just one tiny mechanic in a vacuum) T is already the most APM intensive race in the game. Army control, managing addons, the need to use a wide variety of casters in every matchup, etc. Adding a cooldown to MULES will just exacerbate this even more.

For kicks I googled most apm intensive race. I only looked at the first page's results, they were across the board with some saying each of the races was most apm intensive. Do you have some form of proof for your statement that terran is the most apm intensive?

I thought stats showed that generally Zerg was the most APM-intensive race. That was a while ago though, when Terrans were still 1base a-moving.

Also, lol @ "wide variety of casters". You have two casters, and one of them hard counters the other two races so hard that you don't even need the other one.

lol @ wide variety of casters in every matchup

this is the end all be all reply to zerg whining imo

zerg is the most apm intensive race at plat
T is the most apm intensive race at GM.

T is the most apm intensive because all their units are ranged, this makes micro apm super valuable at the highest levels.

MULEs tho

workers once at 14

I am the #1 player on the NA server!

ive never noticed this thamel person before the last 48 hours, but i think i can say with good confidence he is an angry man.

perhaps we can arrange some sort of prisoner exchange for chillypilly involving him!