I watched a couple of these and he's definitely much more likeable when he casts pro games. Anywho, if husky is weed then I cant wait to meet crack and heroin!

rofl thats pretty much what every protoss is praying for so they can let all their whine out.

its pretty funny.

It's like every zergs in the world have their best matchups against terrans (unless theyre in IM) but still insist theyre too strong.

the more excuses i can have for being bad, the better.

beat: just lost to mass marauder banshee blue flame hellion. he had 4 marines total on the map. in the time it took me to kill all his marauders, he was able to kill 3 hatcheries.

(i had 12 mutalisks)

you build mutalisks?

The Terran 1/1/1 all in is so imba in TvP

The sad thing is how in denial the general population of TL is. Everyone says the same stupid rehearsed line that they have all been brainwashed into believing unconditionally: "Protoss just need more time; they'll figure out a counter." Sh*t can be imbalanced. We don't have to pretend the game is balanced ffs.

Even IMMVP tweeted about it saying (paraphrase) 'terrans who use 1/1/1 should be disqualified'.

I hope Blizzard realizes how ******ed it is that Terran one base play is this ****ing strong. Zerg one base is a ****ing joke, and Protoss one base is quite weak also, not that there's anything wrong with that. The problem is, to counter one base Terran, P/Z HAVE to expo or else they are too far behind on economy (due to MULES) to deal with Terran's army. And of course, the return you get from expanding is delayed, allowing a well timed attack to win the game outright.

It's funny because I switched to P from T about a month ago. Might just switch back so I stop losing to droolers who haven't figured out how to build a CC.

Rob Hustle was right all along

found this on TL for you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/view...opic_id=250379

it's counterable. the problem for protoss is their counters to it, when/if scouted by terran, can be re-countered quite easily by the terran. terran has insane flexibility unlike any other race (as confirmed by the SC2 lead designer himself) and can switch from one build to an entirely different one in an instant and then just rape the toss. this is what makes terran feel "OP" to some people because there is just such a wide variety of stuff they can do or come with. some really creative terran builds are just insane. i honestly think zerg can react to terran a lot better than protoss can tho due to the cost of protoss tech and zerg's ability to wait til the last second to choose which units to make. obviously it's still hard for zerg, but not as hard. mid-game zerg is pretty damn resilient.

nexus first is prob the best way to counter it, but as soon as that is scouted the T can throw down a bunch of rax and go win or can instantly double expo or something.

same with 1 gate expo. im just going with a lot of what ive read about it, so excuse me if im wrong about anything.

another issue is it's hard to punish terran for the time it takes him to tech up because terran simply can't be cheesed if they place and repair bunkers correctly.

While I agree this is a good way to look at it, it doesn't take into account how easy it is for the T to completely deny scouting. You have to guess and hope they are stupid.

Obviously if you know something is coming, you'll stop it. If I tell you I'm going to proxy rax you, you'll stop it. If I don't and you don't scout it, who knows.

They can scout your expansion or lack there of and adjust. You can't scout and adjust if they play properly.

There is a period of time where the T has to distinguish his build. That comes after the second probe scout and before the observer at a time where you literally can't scout.

I hardly ever lose to 1-1-1 on ladder, but when I do it's because the T does a really good job of keeping me from scouting his build. For example, opening 1 rax and putting a tech lab on the rax and swapping it. Might not be the most efficient example, but it works. But if the T shows me the fast factory I can 1 gate expand into 4 gate robo and be in great shape.

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The funny part about that 1-1-1 build is even if you know it's coming and counter it perfectly (Nexus first or 1 gate expand) you still have to micro your ass off to defend it. It's not like defending a 4 gate. That is really simple for any of the races if you know it's coming.

Could you post some replays of you beating the 1-1-1 Gospy? I beat it a decent amount too (though I lose to it as well) and it would be nice to see what to do against more refined masters level builds.

As Karak said Terran flexibility is hard to deal with because even perfect scouting doesn't tell you everything. See a factory with a tech lab and a starport with a tech lab? Could definitely be the 1-1-1 or it could be a blue flame hellion drop. Or a hundred different builds. Meanwhile terran has the best tools to scout, scans reveal tech (I know scans cost 300 minerals but those are 300 opportunity cost minerals for the potential to see the entire tech path of your opponent, not a bad trade).

I actually think they'll nerf point defense drone for the next patch. It's stupidly powerful in too many situations.

Totally agree with Gospy. The problem is that the build can have so many different units, all of which need to be dealt with differently....all the while you cant scout them until its too late. He can be hellion with BF, or completely leave them out. Banshee heavy, or only one or two. Cloak, or not. Raven, or not etc.

My work has been slow lately and I have watched a ton of STRainbows stream and its hilarious because I cant recall a time when he has lost with this build. For people with really good control it is OP, I dont really care what anyone says on TL (basically just regurgitating the same crap over and over). When you have a build that wins every time, even when your opponent knows its coming....there is a problem. How to fix the problem is another issue though...I dont even know if the PDD is a big issue. Most GM koreans have been going heavy immortal sentry zeal with charge and it still isnt working.

Luckily at my crappy level people have **** control so its not really OP but at the top of Korea it certainly is.

Opponent messages me after game and says: "why did you let me walk into your base 12 minutes into the game and build a pylon?". Story of my SC2 life.

PDD nerf might not even be the answer because sometimes they don't even use a raven. i don't really know what they can do to nerf the 1-1-1 build though.

i jsut want to be there when idra finds out toss got buffed because of the 1-1-1

variance: temp banned from TL for posting "this, 1000x over" to a post that i agreed with

lol that's usually just a warning. you must be raging hard over there to get a temp ban over something like that

me, rage?

nahhhh....

switch races and change your name to AnAngryTerran. i want to hear you rage about annoying it is to play against zerg

can you not get hallucinate in time?

ravens bro

i meant for scouting

edit: mostly for scouting. from what i understand there are variations of the build with and without a raven so i would assume the pushes with a raven come later than the ones without. hallucinate could do well vs the no raven builds and give you enough time to react to the raven builds. total theorycraft obv.

i have no idea what timing you can get hallucination and when you need to scout the build. i find it hard to believe that you HAVE to nexus first or 1gate expo to hold the build.

there's a big thread on TL about why its imba and tyler responds on the first page that he doesn't think you need to rush for econ that fast.

oh it's one of those builds you can scout and still die

see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfWfbdf0MYY

I think any T who complains about Zerg is ****ing sad. 9 times outta 10 when I lose to Zerg it's because they outplayed me. Zerg are not some ezmode race; you have to know your **** to play them and I respect that.

The problem with this game is all the dumb coinflip situations. But if you play Terran you will rarely ever have to guess your opponents builds. You always have a way out. Scouting this TvP all in involves guessing, which would be "fair" if T had to guess also, but he doesn't. A good Terran can scout you, deny your scouting, and if he's really clever he can level you with the info he reveals.

The funny thing is, I'm not even that worried about facing this build on ladder (I've started just 4gating T every game). It's more the thought that this **** is possible that makes me lose faith in the game, so I don't play anymore.

i like how mad Ts get when they go CC first and die to a massive baneling bust because they make no effort to sim city or wall off, make like 1 bunker and expect all zergs to be scared and passive.

then they rage about imba

U WENT CC FIRST BR0