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10-24-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
you're looking at it wrong. you are correct that a single mutalisk is the cheapest unit. however they are also useless on their own so you need more of them. imo the differentiation vs cheap units and expensive units comes down to the minerals:gas ratio. in that sense they are quite expensive for a unit w/ no spell casting abilities like the other high gas units.
Does bounce count as an ability? It should imo.

Which brings up another point, every toss should always use gs when engaging mutas in a big fight.
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10-24-2010 , 08:36 PM
Paypal is partially responsible for the banishment of Neteller. I hate them.
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10-24-2010 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gospy
Does bounce count as an ability? It should imo.

Which brings up another point, every toss should always use gs when engaging mutas in a big fight.
Which brings up another point. Mutas aren't army units, they're harass units.
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10-24-2010 , 08:39 PM
yea seriously. its pretty much a super reaper that flies
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10-24-2010 , 08:41 PM
also this is the BBV thread. too much strat.

Brag: just won a game where my opponent's planetary fortress had 370 kills.

Beat: Gold division

Variance: 370 MOTHER****ING KILLS!!!! LOL!
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10-24-2010 , 09:58 PM
Just set up my livestream, lets see if it works. I spent 3 hours trying to make it work on jtv and ustream but it seems like livestream might be the one! http://www.livestream.com/Barrin6?t=484178
let me know if it works
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10-24-2010 , 10:22 PM
^ I didn't get a chance to look but I saw a brief frame. If you aren't already, run in windowed full screen/high quality it makes a huge difference.
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10-24-2010 , 10:46 PM
Found an interesting picture:

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10-24-2010 , 10:54 PM
farmville is clearly the best part of that
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10-24-2010 , 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
farmville is clearly the best part of that
+1
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10-25-2010 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by blah-blah-blah
i just tested some stuff in the unit tester. stalkers beat mutas in equal numbers w/ no micro even if mutas have +1 attack.
I'm pretty sure there's a point where x mutas is > x stalkers.
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10-25-2010 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by JStunna
I'm pretty sure there's a point where x mutas is > x stalkers.
maybe but that number would have to be >20. because i tested 5v5 10v10 and 20v20.
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10-25-2010 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by JStunna
I'm pretty sure there's a point where x mutas is > x stalkers.
depends on blink v. non-blink and how well they are micro'd

see: the micro from the semi-finals at blizzcon... a stalker force which is usually destroyed, but he slowly blinked his stalkers back one by one and the muta micro didnt respond
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10-25-2010 , 03:25 AM
I mean vanilla units.
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10-25-2010 , 03:56 AM
Yay got promoted to Gold, which I wasn't expecting at all since I was ranked like 25th in my Silver league. I'm kind of worried I'm going to get owned now because I kind of suck!
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10-25-2010 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
depends on blink v. non-blink and how well they are micro'd

see: the micro from the semi-finals at blizzcon... a stalker force which is usually destroyed, but he slowly blinked his stalkers back one by one and the muta micro didnt respond
^ Dimaga vs. White-Ra on LT
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10-25-2010 , 04:17 PM
if mutas are 2/1 instead 0/0 they will literally take on almost twice the number of stalkers
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10-25-2010 , 06:07 PM
literally
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10-25-2010 , 11:05 PM
tellin u bro'
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10-25-2010 , 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
if mutas are 2/1 instead 0/0 they will literally take on almost twice the number of stalkers
this is a joke right?
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10-26-2010 , 01:16 AM
LITERALLY exagerated a bit, but its very close to be true.

mutas rofflestomp stalkers with +attacks and dont take much from stalkers.

Im also talking about situations wheen there are no sentries around (like in the scenario of them blinking inside your main, or w/e.
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10-26-2010 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
LITERALLY exagerated a bit, but its very close to be true.

mutas rofflestomp stalkers with +attacks and dont take much from stalkers.

Im also talking about situations wheen there are no sentries around (like in the scenario of them blinking inside your main, or w/e.
have you tested it? because i did and 9 mutas w/ 2/1 upgrades < 10 stalkers 0/0. also i am assuming 2/1 means +2 attack +1 armor. the mutas actually do much better vs stalkers with +1 attack +2 armor. 9 2/1 mutas vs 10 0/0 stalkers left 3 stalkers w/ half health. 9 1/2 mutas vs 10 0/0 stalkers left one 1/4 health stalker. i did each about 10 times and the results were very similar every time.

Last edited by blah-blah-blah; 10-26-2010 at 03:45 AM.
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10-26-2010 , 03:38 AM
anyone wanna start a decent 2v2 or 3v3 team that plays semi-regularly (couple sessions a week or so)? i'm gold in all brackets, about to break through to plat, but haven't played much in last few weeks

boomswitch - 507

add me if you wanna play

i also have access to a vent server for voice comm
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10-26-2010 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Blue Celery
mutas are entirely too strong against toss.

what counters them, high templar? dont you dare say phoenix
The downside of going mutas vs protos is that it eats up all your gas and all you can really get is mass ling with your minerals, which are very weak against protos in midgame (force field, guardian shield, +1 zealots, colossus, HT all cream them). Pheonix also rape mutas if you micro them properly. You don't need equal numbers as you outrange them and your movement speed is higher + you can fire on the move. 4 pheonix vs 10 mutas with micro and you can just slowly pick them off with free shots. High templar don't fair so well vs mutas (in fact I usually get mutas to counter HT) as they can easily dodge storm + easily snipe your HT as they're very vurnerable units and mutas just fly over the rest of your army. Mutas only beat stalkers if you engage with inferior numbers (like warping in 4 at your mineral line when its under attack... you'll simply lose them without causing much damage).
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