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09-08-2011 , 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
I want my $50 back right about now.
srsly, really glad I didn't transfer now
09-08-2011 , 01:40 AM
Cheaper place to buy a Cataclysm CD key for digital download, then the blizzard store at $39.99?

I've seen a few online stores that have them ranging from $29.99-$37.99, but, I am unsure how reputable they are. Anyone recommend a reputable retailer that is cheaper then the blizzard store for an instant delivery cataclysm key?
09-08-2011 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
I want my $50 back right about now.

P.S. Holey said in gchat that he's moving to a different guild because we aren't clearing content fast enough.
Not clearing content fast enough... how far did he think we get in 4 attempts at FL?
09-08-2011 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Nofear3838
I've got some bad news. Our raid might jump from 3 heals to 0.

Dark just informed me that on Tuesday nights, Holey and himself won't be able to get on until 10pm EST, at the earliest, on Tuesdays. They will also be unavailable on Saturday, but that shouldn't affect, much.

Although it may not be official yet, I may have to move to a different shift, and work until 11pm M-F, because someone else ****ed up, for the rest of the month. Hopefully not, but remains to be seen.
Annnnnddd.... its official. I just found out this morning that the person that ****ed up was kicked out of the department, meaning I have to take over their shift for the rest of the month...fml

And as of today, there are only 6 people signed up for the FL raid, tonight.....
09-08-2011 , 10:01 AM
I'm going to look at the guild recruitment forums and see if anyone needs a Mage.
09-08-2011 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
I'm going to look at the guild recruitment forums and see if anyone needs a Mage.
Let me know if you find one. Ill probably end up transferring back to horde, if thats the case.
09-08-2011 , 11:40 AM
I just put in an app for this guild:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-wk-Recruiting!

Doesn't really fit with your schedule, though. They look like they really want a protadin. They're medium recruitment on mages, which I hope means someone has an alt they'd rather plan and I can slide in to that spot.

At this point I'm really glad I went to the trouble of logging on WoL. Their application was kind of extensive, even asking for UI screenshots and what kinds of keybinds you use. They also mentioned the naga specifically - win on that one

It was good playing with you guys while it lasted. At least we can say that as far as 2+2'ers go that the players are pretty solid. I don't think the problems NLD had were ever really related to us making huge errors or not understanding things.
09-08-2011 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
I just put in an app for this guild:

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...-wk-Recruiting!

Doesn't really fit with your schedule, though. They look like they really want a protadin. They're medium recruitment on mages, which I hope means someone has an alt they'd rather plan and I can slide in to that spot.

At this point I'm really glad I went to the trouble of logging on WoL. Their application was kind of extensive, even asking for UI screenshots and what kinds of keybinds you use. They also mentioned the naga specifically - win on that one

It was good playing with you guys while it lasted. At least we can say that as far as 2+2'ers go that the players are pretty solid. I don't think the problems NLD had were ever really related to us making huge errors or not understanding things.
Indeed, it was fun. I'm definitely going to run back to horde, though, once you get accepted into your new guild. **** alliance.
09-08-2011 , 01:24 PM
Got one response to the app so far.

"You're kind of ways off from what we are actually looking for in terms of gear and experience."
09-08-2011 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
Got one response to the app so far.

"You're kind of ways off from what we are actually looking for in terms of gear and experience."
Yikes, harsh. Just reading through some other peoples apps on there, they're tearing people apart. Don't think I could ever get that serious over a video game.

Last edited by Nofear3838; 09-08-2011 at 01:51 PM.
09-08-2011 , 02:24 PM
Sounds like the type of guild that wants to recruit over-geared players to carry them instead of having to work for it.

"What, you're not already 7/7 heroic?"

"No, but neither is your guild.."

"Shut up!"
09-08-2011 , 02:34 PM
I am close to just closing down my account and saying "**** WoW."

Seriously, getting 10 people on consistently that know what they're doing is the hardest part of WoW I've ever encountered. Screw "hard" mechanics, those can be adapted to. Probably also doesn't help that we hardly ever made it halfway through an encounter without blowing our brez.

I have sup-par gear and virtually no experience compared to what any recruiting guild is going to want. So pissed right now.

What a waste of time this game is.
09-08-2011 , 02:53 PM
If you felt like spending $55 again to server + faction change, you could probably raid with my guild some of the time. We already have a mage that usually signs up for all the raids though, so you definitely wouldn't be raiding all 3 days every week. Probably not what you're looking for but figured I'd offer it up. I can look into it more if you'd like.
09-08-2011 , 03:01 PM
Thanks for the offer. I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep putting in the time for this. What time does you guild raid? It's 25 man, right?
09-08-2011 , 03:16 PM
No it's 10-man. I think it used to be 25-man at the beginning of Cata but then people started not showing up, so it's just 10-man now with usually a few extra people signing up every week. Most people I think prefer 25-man, but we're never gonna be able to get 25 people to show up at the same time (and even fewer of those will have adequate gear and/or competence, so it's not really worth the trouble for us). Your gear is pretty much right on par with most of our dps, maybe 1 or 2 ilvls lower. I've just gotten lucky with drops so far and winning them by default since the boomkin hasn't raided with us in a while (not to mention I cap valor every week unlike everyone else), so mine is 372 which is higher than everyone else.

We raid 8pm-10:30pm EST Tues/Thurs/Sunday. There's also a late night raid group in our guild, they merged with us for some reason I don't really know why, it was before I started playing a lot again. They raid 11pm-2(?)am EST Tues/Thurs/Sunday, though I think they're only 3/7 and lately it seems like they've been having problems getting people to show up. It would be the same situation for you there though, there's already a mage that shows up (he's actually an officer and I think the RL of that group). I don't know if they try to rotate people in like our group does or not.

Server is in MST, most of us live on the east coast though. I don't have any latency issues on it

Last edited by topher123890; 09-08-2011 at 03:22 PM.
09-08-2011 , 03:26 PM
Sounds like a pretty similar situation to what is going on now. The times don't quite match up for me. I can't do earlier than 8pm CST on Tuesday/Thursday. 7:45 would be the absolute earliest.

I have one IRL friend that I know is clearing 25 man content with his guild. A month or so ago he mentioned that they needed ranged. If they still need ranged, I'll probably head over to that server and see what happens.
09-08-2011 , 03:35 PM
np, just figured I'd offer it up. The guild has been around since Vanilla and a lot of those people are still around, and they've been raiding at 8pm EST for years so that unfortunately couldn't really change. And the RL and his wife are teachers, so any later than 10:30 would be really pushing it for them (though I wouldn't mind getting his wife to stop showing up ). So unfortunately the times are pretty rigid.

gl wherever you end up
09-08-2011 , 08:56 PM
They pretty much tore me apart as well, mostly my spec and experience. Gear is gear - it's low because I don't have access to the content.

I think I might take a break from WoW for a while and not worry about finding an uber raid guild. I'm at least going to take a more casual approach. Maybe read some quests for once instead of always worrying about how many weeks are left until I kill Ragnaros.
09-08-2011 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Aceium
They pretty much tore me apart as well, mostly my spec
The arcane spec doesn't have a whole lot of optional points, what could they possibly find to bitch about?

I think Master of Elements is about the only talent you should need that you don't have (makes your mastery more potent), possibly at the expense of prismatic cloak or burning soul
09-08-2011 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Low Key
The arcane spec doesn't have a whole lot of optional points, what could they possibly find to bitch about?

I think Master of Elements is about the only talent you should need that you don't have (makes your mastery more potent), possibly at the expense of prismatic cloak or burning soul
They wanted to see UI's, how you have key binds set, your logs of recent fights, etc. Unless you no life wow, they tear you apart like you're some little peasant that should be glad the even looked at your app before spitting in your face.
09-09-2011 , 12:24 AM
I don't necessarily disagree with them.

I filled the application out pretty thoroughly and completely, everything but the UI. They didn't want imageshack so I said I'd be happy to discuss it or share it other ways. Here's what they said:

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I could say quite a bit more than this, but I'll just say this one thing....

Your talent tree is not good. Arcane mages' damage is based upon the remaining mana in their mana pool. So you should have 2/2 in master of elements since your spell crits refund mana, therefor keeping your mana pool higher for longer, sustaining a higher DPS output as well. Your glyphs are also wrong. Your primaries are good, but you should have the glyph of arcane power because it resets the CD on your mana shield, and when your Mana Shield or Mage Ward absorbs damage your spell damage is increased by 20% of the amount absorbed for 10 sec(with 2/2 in incanter's absorption)...so your hurting your DPS by not glyphing arcane power and keeping your mana shield up. Also, glyph of blink is useless. First of all, blink is broken and often you find that your blink lands you in the same spot from where you blinked from. You'd be better off glyphing invisibility. Not only does it drop your threat, but the +40% movement speed while invisible will give you much better survivability. IMO glyph of polymorph is only needed when your in a guild thats struggling on progression and needs to CC. You can take those 2 points from nether vortex and move them into master of elements. Slow is instant cast and can only be applied to 1 target, so your wasting 2 points in nether vortex when you could be putting out more DPS by allocating your talent points more wisely.

There is quite a bit more I can add, but as Novia said, your gear and experience aren't close to what would be a good fit for the guild. Hopefully,though, the advice I gave will help you in the future.
Pretty straightforward and to the point. They definitely added the little peasant feeling without being vicious about it.

I don't know if that's a good thing like he was being his version of "polite" or if it's bad like "lol you don't have a clue but thanks for playing, kiddo."
09-09-2011 , 12:31 AM
That definitely looks like the polite version. The fact that he took the time to type that out and didn't just say "lol ur spec is bad" and leave it at that shows he's being polite. Even though they're not taking you, he's still trying to help you out.

You have to keep in mind those guilds live and breathe WoW, and if they have people in their raid not living and breathing WoW, they're gonna be holding the group back. Sure you might be a competent player, which would be more than enough to get you into most raid groups. But hardcore progression raiding requires much more than just competence.

Last edited by topher123890; 09-09-2011 at 12:36 AM.
09-09-2011 , 12:39 AM
Well, he's right about most of the stuff. Polymorph glyph is great for 5 mans with idiot frost DKs who can't control their AoE, but not much use in a raid setting.

I think dropping both points in nether vortex would be a mistake due to Torment of the Weak - you can't assume a slow in a ten man setting, and wasting a GCD to apply Slow would be, well, a waste when you could be ABar or Orbing or something.

I would say a point from NV and Burning Soul, or substitute a BS point for Prismatic Cloak 2/3 if you're not raiding with a progression group.

Ideally you won't need Invis in a fight, so having it come up quicker shouldn't be an issue. When I was maging, I had a macro for the start of fights that would pop all CDs (MI included) and start a stopwatch that was supposed to ding at about 26 seconds, so I'd know to stop burning mana and get ready for Invis, usually getting it off right as Mirror Image dropped and the boss started to face me.

Arcane Power glyph is stupid awesome for so many reasons, especially if you time it right with incoming dmg and other cooldowns. But really, aside from that glyph for polymorph, your glyphs aren't really 'wrong'. Glyph of invis would be highly situationally useful, and what with blink + run speed talent for it, doubt it would be handy more than a couple times per month, really.

Oh, and 2 of your lowest pieces of gear should have already been replaced by 365 gear from the vendors already.. trinket and off-hand. Keep doing those dailies!

Last edited by Low Key; 09-09-2011 at 12:50 AM.
09-09-2011 , 10:20 AM
Like I said, I don't disagree with him. I will probably make some adjustments to my spec.

As far as master of elements goes, I remember reading a thread on MMO champ where someone was asking about this. I thought someone said that as far as AB is concerned, a crit only refunds the percentage of the base cost of the spell, not counting what it costs with 4 stacks up. So over the course of one burn period, you would only be saving 3 or 4k mana, which isn't a ton but it's something. They may have been wrong, if it refunds 30% of the inflated mana then that's huge.

I had not looked at Glyph of Arcane Power before, that is super OP.

I don't really see the use for glyph of Invisibility. With invis talented it's an instant threat drop, and you're invisible for several seconds, don't see why you need to be faster. I always have fun trying to be the last one to die in an encounter, then invis so we can get a mass rez up and get back to pulling quicker.

I'm doing the Shadow Wardens quest now, I have 149 Marks of the World Tree. I haven't done the other quest yet. How close am I to unlocking those 365's?
09-09-2011 , 10:33 AM
Is it druids/shadow wardens for phase 2? I can never find the proper link for the 4.2 mf progression. Think you're 125 marks from an OH and 125 marks from a trinket.

      
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