There aren't going to be normal games tacking on little VR add-on experiences. Games will be built from the ground up or they won't be on PSVR. They just told devs at GDC that it is rock solid 60 fps, at a minimum, or nothing for PSVR certification. If your game has drops to even 50 or 55 fps, etc. you might as well not bother.

Maybe you don't realize it, but there is no question as to whether or not there will ne support. It's already there. A ton of dev resources are being poured into it right now. There are 200+ devs working on PSVR games. The support this platform is receiving dwarfs that of any console peripheral ever, and we're still seven months from launch.

I think some of the skepticism comes from people who are drastically underestimating the capabilities of PSVR. Take a look around at some of the games that are in development and the hands-on impressions of them. There are a large number of games and experiences being developed for the Vive and/or Rift that are coming to PSVR as well. A lot of people are going to be very surprised. PSVR is included in the high-end VR thread on NeoGAF, along with Vive and Rift, for good reason.

I love Rocket League, and I've seen several people describe RIGs as potentially being that sort of competitive experience, but in VR. I'm probably looking forward to this as much as stuff like Eve: Valkyrie, Driveclub, or Dreams.

Well it's clear a ton of resources are going into VR, I mean just from an R&D perspective alone.

But out of curiosity what do you anticipate the adoption rate of this VR tech for PS4 will be? Like what % of people who own a PS4 will have a headset? That's a big deal cuz when you make a game you of course want it to sell. If 20% of the PS4 userbase has it (just a number for an example), making it mandatory for your game and eliminating 80% of potential customers from the get go seems foolish.

I honestly have no idea what the adoption rate will be. Anything could happen. I don't know what it would take for Sony to call it a success, either. There are more PS4s than there are VR-ready PCs, so I see no reason why it shouldn't be successful comparitively, especially given the price. PSVR is easily in the best position to bring higher end (highish end?) VR to the mainstream in the short term.

On the development side, this isn't just about money right now. Much of what's happening is that a lot of devs are just excited to be a part of figuring out what works and what doesn't on a new platform. I've seen many comparisons to what it was like when we went from 2D to 3D gaming. There's a lot of enthusiasm in the development community for being a part of something new.

Also, you don't need to create big-budget AAA games to have a real impact on users in VR. That stuff will come when the market is there, but for now, there will be plenty of amazing games available that don't cost a fortune to make. And no, I'm not talking about wii mini-games or things that only last fifteen minutes.

I'm much more curious about this than VR tbh, if only because I ponied up for a 4K TV and have so far watched a total of one 4K video (it wasn't that much extra but still!). I've heard some people speculate it will be pretty cost prohibitive for Sony to put these processors in a console

Well, the type of people who are currently buying 4K tv's are also the type who don't really mind shelling out big bucks to have the latest and greatest technology. These are the types who might actually go rebuy a PS4 just to get 4K support.

So a 4K capable PS4 model, even a quite pricey one, may make sense, provided they don't discontinue the cheaper non-4K capable model.

You wouldn't wanna call the 4K capable version 4.5 to make the regular 4.0 buyers feel shortchanged, you'd call it like the PS4 Platinum or something like that I'm sure they'll focus group and market test.

Both Xbox and PS have had this tiered model system before, but usually only related to disk space

Yes, you do seem out of touch, with the gaming world and community at least IMHO. Whether anyone likes it or not, VR is the dominant story in gaming right now and will continue to be for the foreseeable future as the technology and its application are still in its relative infancy yet the majority of people that try it are already completely blown away.

Did you ever think about at least trying it before you deem it nothing more than a gimmick destined to fail?

I think VR is the wave of the future, I just don't foresee PS being the best option for taking full advantage of all the different aspects VR has to offer. There is already VR porn available for the Galaxy VR set up.

at the end of the day it comes down to porn.

amen

Doesn't it always tho?

In all seriousness though, I just picked porn b/c it is the most obvious VR app Sony would want to distance themselves from (at least in the US market) When we start selling used panties in vending machines maybe Sony will reconsider.

The average consumer ready and willing to be early adapters to VR will likely have both a high end PC capable or running Occulus and @ least 1 of, if not both, current gen consoles. So if you are seriously considering a system to test out VR on, Wouldn't you choose the system likely to have the widest variety of options available to you?

I'm not saying VR and VR type tech isn't the EVENTUAL future of gaming. Gaming technology changing is sorta an inevitability.

I'm saying it will still likely be a tech generation (or two, or maybe more) away before it hits the sort of mainstream success some people are anticipating.

Of course there's the possibility I'm wrong. It's certainly within the realm of possibility the PS4 VR is absolutely amazing and blows the tits off of everyone and becomes an absolute must have thing, but I think that's less likely than is probable.

I also think one of the overlooked obstacles to things like 4K support and realistic VR is internet speeds, data caps, and just space limitations.

The technology is likely to advanced faster than the data infrastructure to support it.

Are games going to be hundreds of gigs? Are people really going to be expected to download or stream that much? We've been moving further away from physical media, are we going back to games having to come on 2-3 discs? What sort of hard drive capacities will these new consoles need to have to support these massive games, etc.

Of course if you are a PC and console gamer with a high end gaming rig most will probably lean towards a PC VR solution if choosing between the two. And you are correct that the PS4 wont be the best option for taking full advantage of all the different aspects VR has to offer from a performance perspective, although its a pretty damn good experience nonetheless judging by all said accounts. But the average consumer doesn't have a high end gaming rig and a PS4. The average consumer willing to try VR that have PS4s dwarfs the number of those that have VR ready gaming rigs. Forty million PS4s have been sold reportedly, and for the 99% or whatever of the people that bought one that dont also have a gaming rig, PSVR will be the choice most will make if they are interested in trying first generation VR. So regardless of whether its the best available VR experience, it will no doubly be the most popular one of the big three FWIW.

I guess it would depend on what you would call a mainstream success I suppose. Traditional gaming will not be dead overnight obviously. But I believe they are going to sale a ton of them and people are going to have a blast using them for whatever that is worth or means.

It is and has been pretty much for a long time now even before the CV.


For the record Im in the process of waiting for Pascal and building a new gaming rig. The room scale Vive is offering on release has me leaning in that direction. But Ive been following PSVR for a long time now and Id be super excited to have it as my lone HMD if I didn't have a PC. I think you console gamers are going to be pleasantly surprised IMHO. You really should be excited for this.

This is probably a stupid question, but I've noticed ever since I started grinding hard on the PS Network a few weeks ago my wireless connection has generally been much slower at all times than it has historically been over the last few years, even during times when I'm not even doing anything on the PS4 and haven't for hours. Seems like there shouldn't be any connection but I can't think of anything else that could be causing the problem. Anyone know whether this is possible?

Call your ISP?

Yeah, actually did right after I posted and wireless speed immediately became 12x faster after they did something on their end. Should have called them sooner but kept assuming it was a temporary thing.

In other news, I actually like Star Wars Battlefront quite a bit, but maybe b/c I hadn't played a FPS in forever.

Without any warning, Sony and Rockstar have launched Bully and Manhunt on PlayStation 4 as the latest PlayStation 2 games to be re-released with 1080p up-rendering and Trophies.

Now available on the European PlayStation Store for £11.99 each, both Bully (aka Canis Canem Edit) and Manhunt include Platinum Trophies.
also on us store

Bully was awesome

Never played Bully. Pretty hyped to try.

Eurogamer, among others, has confirmed that something along these lines is happening. It's looking more and more like it will just be something like 4k media-capable, maybe upscaling to 1080p to 4k for games with a bit more power to run games slightly better.

If it's anything much more than this already, I'll probably just be done with consoles for good.

I bought Bully a while ago for my 360 with some Microsoft credit and have never had the urge to play it but I guess I should try it out at some point.

Yeah it's very likely to be basically a PS4 with a HDMI 2.0 output and UHD Bluray drive.

This I have seen a lot of, and it baffles me.

To each his own, but I'm not in for three year console cycles. I have a gaming PC. At the end of this year, three years in to this gen, I can only think of 3-4 exclusives that I will have cared to buy. Maybe I shouldn't own one now lol.

Saw some discussion of Vue a few weeks ago. PS4 is offering a free trial until the end of the month (pending on location). The middle option has all the channels I think I need for $45/month. Gonna try it out and see if it's worth it to dump cable.

That's the thing though, it isn't the end of a cycle / start of a new one, it's a mid-cycle refresh. The existence of a PS4K takes nothing away from the owner of a PS4.0.

Like, say Nintendo announce the NX at E3, available holidays 2016 - and it's an absolute monster. Titan-Z level graphics, i7 class CPU, 4k for everyone, and 8k compatible just in case, the works. All for $299. + Full third-party support from all the big names. Is that a reason to be done with consoles forever? No? Should the same happen, except in addition to the above it also has complete compatibility with your existing library, with improved performance no less - it's now a serious breach of trust?

It is certainly possible, for a primarily PC gamer treating the PS4 as an exclusives-only machine, the value proposition is not / was never there. Having an even smaller / less impressive exclusive catalogue, I make the same call for XBox One in my case. But most people aren't like this, and the PS4 is the multiplat machine of choice by considerable margin.

I've been going back and forth on this. DirecTV lowered my bill from $120 to $70, but I still feel like completely slashing the cord almost at this point.

Enough of my friends still have cable that I have access to other channels -- even if I don't go Vue route.