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Old 11-29-2017, 02:44 PM   #1326
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doubtful wrt streaming. what's the big difference between the i5 and i7?
basically the i7 just has more threads, and it will have a very slightly better clock rate/overclock potential. so you'd primarily notice the difference doing cpu things that take advantage of lots of cores/threads, like video editing or streaming. games generally speaking rely more on the gpu than the cpu, but not all. games like warcraft are cpu bound, but for those what matters most is single core performance rate, not multi-threading. the benefit of the 8700 over the 8600 for games is going to be marginal, it's just up to you whether its worth $120 bucks or not. really, you can argue that any high end processor from the past several years is only marginally better than any other.

i built a similar computer to yours a little while back, got a 7700k and had a similar decision with the 7600k - to me it was worth it to get the 7700k. but i paid 300 for it, and i'd say there was a larger difference between the 76/7700 than between the 86/8700, though just getting a 7600k was the recommendation for games a year ago.

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Old 11-29-2017, 03:22 PM   #1327
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Clock for clock, i5s gaming benchmarks are almost the same as i7. But i5s do clock a little lower and nobody nowadays runs only the game with nothing in the background (Discord? Stream? Music? Skype? Twitch updater? Youtube?). For real world usage, I am guessing i7 adds quite a bit of value. i7 chips also have higher clock speeds and more thermal headroom (if userbenchmarks results are any guide).

With Ryzen and Intel going to 6+ cores in desktops and Intel U chips going to 4 cores as default, it's basically a certainty games will be better optimized to take advantage of at least 4 cores going forward.

PS4 and XBox One already run low clock speed 8 core CPUs. My guess is some technology/optimization for the consoles will come to PCs as well.

TLDR: i7 probably already has significant advantages in real world usage and will probably do even better going forward.

PS: I run all i7s but I always had practical needs (Excel/R sims) for more cores.

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Old 12-07-2017, 05:07 PM   #1328
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Any recs for a decent headset under $100?
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:11 PM   #1329
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Any recs for a decent headset under $100?
Cloud II's are on sale for $70 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00SAYCVTQ/

Best Buy has them for the same price and if you pick up in store you get an additional 10$ off

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/hyperx-...?skuId=4505204

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/custome...at218900050012

Get a Free $10 Savings Code* When You Choose Store Pickup

or just make your own headset with a decent set of headphones and a mod mic or something (Newegg always has the Philips (open back if you don't mind that) SHP9500s for like 50$)

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Old 12-07-2017, 06:46 PM   #1330
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if you pick up in store you get an additional 10$ off
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:53 PM   #1331
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The Turtle Beach Ear Force headsets always get good reviews. I have had the Z22 for a few years which appears to be discontinued. You should definitely be able to find a decent newer model for under $100.
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Old 12-08-2017, 01:54 AM   #1332
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The Logitech G633 Artemis is extremely well reviewed. I have been very satisfied with the wireless G933 version for a few years too.
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Old Yesterday, 01:29 PM   #1333
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Been thinking about a gaming laptop for couch sessions w/ the misses, and i saw PC Mag review this Dell Inspiron one ($700) quite highly:

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/dell-in...?skuId=5872507

Specs:
  • Hard Drive Capacity 256 gigabytes
  • Hard Drive Type Solid State Drive
  • Processor Speed (Base) 2.5 gigahertz
  • Processor Model Intel 7th Generation Core i5
  • System Memory (RAM) 8 gigabytes
  • Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
  • Screen Size 15.6 inches

Bonus that you can buy a $450 Dell VR/MR headset for $50 if you buy it as a combo (even though the guy in the store said the deal was already over - it's still active on your site, *******!)

Went in and checked it out. They've upgraded to an IPS screen, which was a complaint a few months back when the PC Mag article came out.

Not sure if I want to pull the trigger, as it's $100 cheaper than through Dell, and $250 cheaper than the lowest GTX1060 I've seen.

The screen looks pretty decent, but it has a center hinge so it does get a little wobbly. The keys are super shallow and a little awkwardly laid out in combo w/ the touchpad. Standard WASD placement would basically put your thumb over the touchpad. Touchpad itself is textured, but only slightly so. I could only tell because the article complained about the texture and I was looking for it specifically.

It definitely feels a little on the cheap side, but for $700 what can you expect?

They had 3DMark installed so I ran a test. I noticed a fair amount of screen tearing on the device. A nearby i7/GTX1060 also had some screen tear, but noticeably less. Maybe it's just the program itself, I dunno. I did research the various cards used in laptops. The MAXQ 1060 that laptops tend to get is only about 5-8% slower than a desktop 1060, which is pretty awesome. The 1050ti is definitely slower. Probably can do most of the games I play at 1080 (max for the screen) on decent settings, but I would worry a bit about future proofing.

Dunno what to do.
If you're still looking, Costco has this same computer (Dell 7577) but with 1060 instead of 1050ti on sale for $700 for the next few days.

https://m.costco.com/Dell-Inspiron-1...100380743.html
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My daughter would like a Razer keyboard for X-Mas. Can anyone recommend a good one? Would prefer under $100 but I don't really care how much.

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Old Yesterday, 07:14 PM   #1335
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I dunno what kind my razer is, but it has custom mx brown switches and it feels like a dream.

Wheatsauce, thanks very much for the link. May have to snag that. Not 100% sure if membership is required, not a member tho.
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If she's asking for a Razer keyboard, I would think that she has something specific in mind. You might ask he if there's a particular model she's after, or if she's interested in the mechanical keys. Most mechanical Razers use their "Green" switches which to me are obnoxiously loud and clicky. I have a Logitech G710+ with the aforementioned mx brown switches and I much prefer the sound of those. Razer's green switches are more akin to mx blue.

Razer has a variety of keyboards and I think you need more information on why she's asking for a Razer keyboard in order to make the right purchase.
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Old Today, 12:43 PM   #1337
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If she's asking for a Razer keyboard, I would think that she has something specific in mind. You might ask he if there's a particular model she's after, or if she's interested in the mechanical keys. Most mechanical Razers use their "Green" switches which to me are obnoxiously loud and clicky. I have a Logitech G710+ with the aforementioned mx brown switches and I much prefer the sound of those. Razer's green switches are more akin to mx blue.

Razer has a variety of keyboards and I think you need more information on why she's asking for a Razer keyboard in order to make the right purchase.
There are plenty of great mech boards out there if she doesn't specifically want a razor.


I have a Filco ( expensive typist board ) and the quality of the new cheap mech boards is really high.

I have a https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Ke...dp/B01ABUJ2KM/

which feels near identical to my filco.

They also do a backlit version, and a full size plain or backlit.

There are also cheap and awesome RGB boards.

https://www.amazon.com/Mechanical-Ke...dp/B06XW33N5R/

It can be used wireless or wired and has an app to design your own colorschemes.
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Old Today, 01:02 PM   #1338
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My friend has the Razer BlackWidow Chroma (I think that's the one) and the color schemes on the keys do look kinda cool. Looks like it's a bit over $100 though.
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I have this https://www.amazon.com/DREVO-Wireles...=drevo+calibur

and this: https://www.amazon.com/REIDEA-KM06-P...ds=reidea+km06

Both cheap, both have AFAIK "otemu" red switches. Haven't actually tried one with real Cherry switches, but I very much like these. Prefer the Drevo, which I'm typing on now. Bluetooth is super useful on occasion, and I like the compactness but still retaining the cursors and home/end cluster. The lighting is a little restrictive compared to the Reidea (which has some sort of software I ignored), that one I got soon after the Drevo since going between it and the previous Microsoft Comfort non-mech was horrific, and on that PC I needed a full layout with numpad and F-keys.

Never using a non-mech non-lit keyboard again for any length of time unless it's impossible.

I agree with previous posters, "A Razer keyboard" is probably not specific enough when she has something specific in mind.
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This is for a kid right? I'm guessing if she specifically asked for a razer keyboard it might be important that it's from razer, even if there are cheaper comparable options.

Trying to be too discerning a buyer for a kid, especially on Christmas morning, can easily backfire.
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This is for a kid right? I'm guessing if she specifically asked for a razer keyboard it might be important that it's from razer, even if there are cheaper comparable options.
She's 14 and it has to be Razer because she's spoiled . What she really wants is one of these because of the keys on the left though it looks like those things aren't produced anymore which leads to the $399 price. Perhaps something like this would work as well. I had one of those when I grinded poker pre-BF and loved it

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I agree with previous posters, "A Razer keyboard" is probably not specific enough when she has something specific in mind.
She really doesn't. She just went into HS and she got some friends that play SC2/LOL and she's getting back into those and wants a Razer. She has no idea what she specifically wants.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.
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