Also I'm probably not buying anything until after thanksgiving or so - just want to get an understanding of where things are - if that makes any difference. I assume things don't move that fast these days.

That power supply is only $85 on Newegg right now after a $25 rebate.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16817438092

Thanks! Will take a look.

Also anyone have opinions on Oculus vs Vive vs Windows VR?

Windows VR units don't currently have steam VR support, it's "in the works" apparently.

so tldr it's basically a dev unit/gimmick unit right now.

Vive - best kit available atm.
Oculus - much cheaper right now, the best value buy.

HOWEVER.

Pimax 8k ( not 8k, it's 2x4k panels so it's 5k really, but they also have a 5k unit that's 2x 1440p ), is on kickstarter right now - delivery in a few months.

It apparently runs much cooler than vive/oculus and the resolution bump removes SDE and makes for much better VR.

THAT SAID, wait for actual consumers to get actual units, and wait on reviews. If the pimax performs as promised it's the best unit to get.

Interesting. Is Steam VR kind of the go-to place for VR games and apps now even for non-Vive headsets (I guess really just Oculus for now)?

This sounds insane!

Where the **** else are you going to get them?

Pretty much just oculus store ( and there are a billion more games that are on steam + oculus store that support both units ), or viveport ( lol ).

Thinking of getting off the console and back into pc gaming. I was exclusively pc until a couple of years ago, now I'm either going to need a new build or some modification to my existing if I want to be able to play new releases.

I posted this build back in 2012 and I've been using it since. It still runs great, I use it almost daily for work - running adobe and office apps, etc... It's good but it just can't handle the latest games although I think it's exclusively a gpu issue. Storage gets a little tight as well but I can live with it.

What do you think - a full rebuild or just swap out the video card? Any recs are appreciated.

CPU - Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I53570K

MOBO - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL

GPU - Gigabyte Radeon HD 7870 OC 1100MHZ 2GB 4.8GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card

HDD - 1TB CAVIAR BLUE SATA 7200RPM 3.5IN 6GB/S

SSD - Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal

PSU - OCZ ModXStream Pro 700w ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan 80PLUS Power Supply

CASE - Corsair Carbide Series 500R Mid-Tower Gaming Case ATX 4X5.25 6X3.5INT USB 1394 No PS White

DVD - ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM

You can just put a new graphics card in there and you're good to go.

Maybe a bigger SSD as 128gb is a little small for multiple game storage.

Get a 1060 or 570 range is fine for 1080p, if you want to go 1440p or 4k or 144hz you want something a bit beefier.

Basically lol Pimax. The 4k was by many accounts godawful, 60Hz LCDs instead of OLED so pixel smear everywhere. Same applies to Win10 prototypes AFAIK.

EVGA supernova power supplies are good.

Lol the pimax 4k porn headset yes...

public demo sessions for the 8k and 5k next week in san francisco and tokyo, like I said... I wouldn't consider ordering until consumers have real units in hand.

What resolution and refresh rate are we trying to game at?

Interesting - I see a lot of people talking about the lower quality LCD screens but from the user's perspective, what does that mean? This one at least claims 90Hz refresh-rate.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/08/30/...adset-details/

I had more or less your setup (higher oc and slightly better ssd and ps) and swapped out for 1080.

All current games run on ultra at wqhd 60hz. I imagine if you want to play 144hz or whatever you might run into bottlenecks, I haven't researched it enough but otherwise you'll be fine for the foreseeable future

get a bigger ssd too, 50GB+ games will be pretty common going forward

Thanks, guys. I think that is what I'll do - upgrade the video card and be happy with gaming at 60hz. I don't feel like revamping the whole system just to jump to 144, nor do I feel like purchasing a new monitor. I have my ps4 and 55" 4K panel for that.

I'll take the advice about the SSD under consideration as well.

I think I'll go with the 1060, the 1080 is more than I want to spend right now. It's been a few years since I've purchased components but it feels like the price of video cards have skyrocketed. Is this a thing or am I losing my mind?

Anyhow considering this - is there any substantial difference between the 3 and 6GB editions?

https://www.amazon.ca/ASUS-GeForce-D...s=1060+gtx+3gb

I can get the 1060 for under $300 but the 1080 is over $700. Keep in mind this is in Canadian currency.

There's very little difference between the 3gb/6gb except in random **** console ports.

And yes GPU prices are crazy right now due to miners.

A friend bought a 1060 right before the spike for £180, they're now selling for £250.

****s stupid.

There absolutely will be a difference in the 3gb/6gb cards. A 3gb 1060 performs worse then a GTX 970.

Lots of games maxed out at 1080p60 use more than 3gb video memory.

http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphi...-gaming-x-3gb/

It's non existent in most titles and like <5% at most in others.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...up,4724-2.html

Who do we believe more, thread?

They both have 3gb 1060 outperformed by the 970 in some tests

so finally ready to buy a rig after having posted in here and then pushed it down the road. however i have no idea what i'm doing, So it will need to be pre-built most likely.

looking to spend like ~1000-1250. I play mostly League of Legends and probably will dabble in WoW again if/when the vanilla servers materialize.

any good suggestions of starting places? i was customizing a few on cyberpower and ibuypower but it gets out of my league pretty quick with the options and what i should have included that isn't included in their base models.

are there any options in particular you're confused about that googling doesn't resolve?

I ask because I didn't know wtf MU-MIMO for wifi routers was yesterday, but a quick search showed me a few articles describing what it does and why I should or shouldn't get it as a feature.

i guess most of them are of the let me google that for you variety.

Mainly i guess i want suggestions of where i can save money and where im missing obvious things that a novice wouldnt order.

for example i was playing around on the ibuypower website and built this:
Case :: NZXT Source 210 Mid Tower Case - Blue
iBUYPOWER Elite Build Package :: None
LED Fan Lighting :: Default Case Fan
Case Lighting :: iBUYPOWER RGB Lighting - [FREE] 1 RGB Lighting Strip
iBUYPOWER Labs - Noise Reduction :: None
iBUYPOWER Labs - Internal Expansion :: None
Processor :: Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Processor (6x 3.70GHz/12MB L3 Cache)
iBUYPOWER PowerDrive :: None
Processor Cooling :: Corsair Hydro Series H60 120mm Liquid CPU Cooler - Standard 120mm Fan
Memory :: 8 GB [4 GB x2] DDR4-3000 Memory Module - Certified Major Brand Gaming Memory
Video Card :: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 - 8GB (VR-Ready) - Single Card
SLI Bridge :: None
Motherboard :: GIGABYTE Z370XP SLI -- RGB Fusion, 3x PCIe x16, 1x USB 3.1 Gen2, 6x USB 3.1 Gen1 [Intel Optane Ready]
Power Supply :: 600 Watt - Standard 80 PLUS Bronze
Advance Cabling Options :: Standard Default Cables
M.2/PCI-E SSD Card :: None
Primary Hard Drive :: 128GB ADATA SU800 SSD + 2TB 7200RPM Hard Drive
Data Hard Drive :: None
Optical Drive :: 24X Super Multi Internal DVD Rewriter Optical DriveBlack
2nd Optical Drive :: None
Media Card Reader / Writer :: None
Meter Display :: None
Sound Card :: 3D Premium Surround Sound Onboard
Network Card :: Onboard LAN Network (Gb or 10/100)
USB Expansion Card :: None

for around 1350.

is this significantly more PC than i would need? and if so where are points to save money without crushing performance, and if any of the "none" designations make me look like an idiot for not buying.

LoL and WoW don’t need an i7 CPU or GTX1070. Consider an i5 and GTX1060 (think 6GB version is good, avoid 3GB). That should save several hundred.

Unless you really need the space, I’d change the hard drive to a smaller, single SSD (256Gb to 512Gb) and skip the hybrid. If you need extra space, just add a 1TB secondary drive.

Motherboard is probably overly pricy, as you’ll never need SLI (running two GPUs at once) for those games.

Pretty crazy you can get that much of a gaming pc for $1350. There some combo discounts or sale going?