i would actually say being good at overwatch has very little to do with pew-pew.

there are a couple characters where you need really good at aim, but some you literally don't pew pew at all.

yea I'm far above average at aiming and still tend to do terribly in ranked. There's a lot more to it than that. And a lot of different playstyles available.

I've been getting better scores in matches but I still feel I'm terrible at the game.
decided playing 1v1's to complete the quests for the event but I keep getting 5-0'd and 4-1'd. not sure if I should stop trying or keep doing it and getting humiliated until I improve lol

I feel like the best way to improve at this game is to play with better players on your team so they can give you inputs. I've noticed I'm terrible at figuring out the flow of the game like where to be at and what to do next.

I'd recommend watching streamers and trying to figure out why they're doing something differently than what you would have done in any given moment. Also, maybe consider limiting your focus right now to mastering a particular couple of heroes or one class. Stop playing 1v1, imo, FFA is better for improvement. GLHF.

This has nothing to do with improving, but if you want to get the arcade wins for the loot boxes, just do the Junkenstein event on normal difficulty. It can take longer than regular matches sometimes, but it's an easy win. I haven't tried the highest difficulty yet, but even the second highest is pretty easy if you have four decent players and reasonable hero picks.

Yeah, that's what I did. Thanks anyway.

Junkenstein is way easier now with the added characters even on legendary, just need to focus the bosses quickly otherwise Reaper/Roadhog wreck havoc or the zombardiers begin to pile up. Managed it comfortably with Torb/Brigitte/Zen + DPS, usually McCree or S76

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I might be setting up a prop bet with a friend to grind from unranked on a fresh account to GM in 3 months. I'm a full time poker streamer, and still want to grind 4x/wk, and grind OW outside of that. We're thinking reasonable odds would be 80:1. My career high is 2700 and current rank is 2500. Still talking through rules etc but I think it'd be fun to stream. Do you guys think it's possible or completely impossible?

Yikes. Depends on what route you take and what you're willing to do to get there. 80:1 probably seems right if you study whatever role you take (almost certainly support or one of the tanks and probably Reinhardt) i.e. youtube, do drills, and then heavily work on teamplay, shot calling, etc.

Playing some Ashe like everyone else. Initial impression is pretty good. TNT is almost useless unless you shoot it but after people learn the throw to scope to explosion stuff man it seems good especially around payloads. Everyone is playing her like a widow without a 1 hit kill headshot right now though obviously thats not going to be successful.

Any hero or group queue restrictions? What kind of sample size of the game have you played so far?

Not knowing much, I think this would be close to impossible, but it sounds sweet and could certainly be a fun streaming experience. I've been hard stuck in low diamond seemingly for centuries, but I have found plenty of profiles of people who started in gold or low plat and made GM over the course of many seasons (usually after hundreds if not over a thousand hours of playing). I think it would take a very serious level of commitment to get the job done.

I agree w/ everything Karma said. I’d like to think if I took it as seriously as poker that I could do it, but I dunno, people are pretty damn good.

I think of it like athletics, where some people just have natural talent. I’ll never be able to aim like some people no matter how much I practice.

I would put a big emphasis on studying the pros who play your main. Ideally streamers who elaborate on their thought process.

Curious how many heroes would be optimal. I’m thinking you want at least one of each class if you’re solo queuing.

Seems like the obvious use for dynamite is in a choke point. It could be a nice counter against a Rein/Orisa/Brig-type combo. Get the dynamite over/around the barriers and burn everyone.


EDIT: I tried Ashe for one game and liked her. I'm not the best at aiming (I'm a bad sniper), so I don't know if I would ever be good with her, but she's definitely one who could be fun because of the creativity needed with her.

We haven't gotten too deep into specifics yet, but I'd be playing Rein/Winston as a main with occasional flex to zen/lucio. I tank main and I think playing non accuracy specific heroes would benefit me. If I won this bet, it would be by the skin of my teeth. Definitely aware of that. But I think it's possible with the right amount of study and proper hours. At the very least, it's good content.

If you want ANY chance, you will need to one trick whatever you're best at. 3 months isn't enough time to get GM-level competent at any multiple classes unless you have pro-level aim. Winston/Rein together can be good, just because they are so map specific.

If your peak was 2700, I think you have little to no chance, so get some really good odds. That said, it'd be fun to watch on a stream. Tanking is super game-sense dependent, so it would require a TON of grinding.

So far what I'm thinking is grinding Rein/Winston. No boosting, must be solo the whole time, but I'm allowed coaching. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to team up against randoms after a good match. All games must be streamed to prove no cheating. I start on a fresh account. Interested in whether you guys think that would be fair. I'm thinking that if I grind this prop while I'm still playing poker (probably cut my current volume by about 30%-40% during the prop) then it's 250:1, and if I just grind the prop full time with no poker - 80:1. I might just find somewhere in the middle and take the -ev bet for the benefit of good content and a fun challenge.

GM is 4k sr, right?

solo queue'ing i think you're drawing dead, 3 months not enough time to get both the coaching implemented for big brain tank play + actually putting in the time to gain the SR.

i mean, if the stakes were high enough and you were able to put in a ton of good investment via coaching + abandoning poker for the 3 months, you're not drawing dead. but i think there's zero chance you can do this + poker at the same time.

also hot take, i think people severely *underrate* the importance of natural ability and aim. i used to believe that being stuck hard plat meant i was doomed because i was always paired with other people similarly bad and i can't rise out even with strong play.

fact is people who are 4k+ sr can easily get out of plat and they just massively carry games at lower levels, its no diff from sticking a 5kNL player at microstakesNL.

so think of it more in terms of how do i get my skill level from 2.5k to 4k. to me thats like saying how do i get my skill level from microstakes to 25/50. you dont just put in elbow grease and get there in 3 months. it requires a massive investment in learning + application.

big thing to me IMO is game sense in a team environment. i encourage everyone to look at the overwatch replays in the game client and see the difference between really good players and the worlds best players (Fury best DVA, jjonak best zen, etc). mechanically it doesnt feel a lot diff, but in this current GOATS meta the synergy you need to succeed, everything is in a razors edge. one teams rein incorrectly using a firestrike can be the entire difference in a team fight. now extrapolate that to solo queing at 3k SR, either you better be a ****ing god at aiming or you have to cognitavely get way better at understanding how team fights are won and get way better at that + learn how to communicate significantly better so ur team is put in best position to succeed.

when i try my absolute hardest in this game playing the best meta support/tank and using comms, im at like 3k SR. less comms and just grinding fun heroes, im 2.5k. theres a difference and im sure it gets magnified if ur trying to get to 4k. i dont think im there anymore, i'm confirmed too old.

I actually think people overrate aim - it's one of the things I really like about overwatch - that you really can move up just by making the right decisions and not just clicking heads.

It of course matters a ton if you're playing widowmaker, but I think you can get high rated playing a lot of different characters if your positioning, decision making, calls, and game sense are all really damn good. It will take an absurd about of grinding to learn that though.

I agree though - without good aim, you really need a lot extra 'gamesense' and those other things to compensate. It works vice versa too - I think there are masters-level aim players who can't get out of high plat/low diamond who just truly don't understand wtf is going on while they play.

hey, I'm new to overwatch. Why is reinstancing a thing? I've seen loads of complaints when googling it but has blizzard ever addressed it? It's a bit annoying to play Weekly Petra FFA Deathmatch and get halfway through cancelled just because two people left the game.

Even if I played this game 24/7 I'd probably peak in diamond and have no chance at masters unless a bad balance patch bring the heroes I am one tricking (probably Lucio/Reinhardt because I am bad at pewpew) way over the top.

It's been practically a ritual for me to start seasons as Rein/Lucio into high gold/low plat before I start Hanzoing my way down to Silver and Bronze.

WIth most heroes you absolutely need the ability to pewpew. Even with Rein/Lucio I think I'd be a much better player if I could hit my firestrikes and build ults faster.

Oh cool you're the guy who has no business playing DPS who plays DPS that I constantly get matched with

My Hanzo has a golden bow.

nm then!