i've been doing it last couple nights

team player imo

UMP takes skill to use properly at range. There's nothing wrong with it.

i use this setup over 80% of my games. this is usually because im too lazy or stoned to switch after playing SnD. uav's are like a kiss from taylor swift when you first wake up in the morning.

i think the ump just seems overpowered because it actually competes with the ars as an all around weapon and all the other smgs are pretty much built for rushing only.

I see what you're saying but still agree with khaos in that the UMP is extremely difficult to kill with at ranges where you can easily take someone down with, say, the SCAR

i kill people at long range with the ump all the time and i'm not very good at the game. sure, give me the acr over it if the guy is a barely visible speck on my screen but extremely difficult seems like an exaggeration to me. burst firing isn't hard.

i had a call of duty epiphany that is almost embarrassing. i really cant believe i didnt think of it before. when i use my ump at long range i have a bad habit of aiming at their face and trying to two shot it, which would be fine if that third bullet didnt make the ump kick heaps. i have finally started adjusting my aim lower before i begin firing to allow the recoil to do the work, instead of fighting it.

it is painfully obvious but there you go, hopefully someone else can use it!

Maybe I just suck then because once I get to a range where the recoil starts owning me I feel lucky if I manage to kill someone w/ the UMP. I don't burst fire well though.

The thing is though that the UMP shouldn't compete directly with an AR at range because its an SMG and it affords the user faster movement speed. I'll agree that using an UMP at range takes a degree of skill (compensating for recoil), but if you use an SMG you really shouldn't get the best of both worlds, and the UMP basically does that.

In other words, I use my M4A1 and I move slower but can shoot with less recoil, you use an UMP and move faster but by managing recoil slightly you can shoot it like an AR too.

Fair points, I wouldn't cry if they nerfed the UMP in an update.

...they won't, though, this is IW we're talking about.

Yeah. The natural response to bitching about weapon imbalance is that if I'm so pissed about the UMP being overpowered than I should either use it myself or deal with it, because its very unlikely IW is going to tone it down. Its not a broken mechanic by any means, just pisses me off when a silenced ump has faster kill time at range than a TAR21 or ACR

Another point:
I think the AR's as a group are very balanced - using one over another is really a matter of preference and you can't really say one is much better than another (excluding the F2000 to some extent). But for SMG's I feel like the UMP outguns most of the other SMG's by a fair margin. Not that the MP5/Vector/P90/Mini-Uzi are unplayable or anything, but honestly out of these I see the UMP about 3 times as often

meh, ump honestly isnt that great in a lot of direct fights. it really just offers a tactical/movement advantage. rifles are overpowered in general.

lol wat

the ump is only 'skill' gun in the game (not including snipers of course, but that's another story all together)

there should be more weapons available to outclass n00bs with cheap setups imo

lol wat

How does marathon+lightweight with an ump require more skill than scavenger+sp TAR-21 or scavenger+cb ACR.........

And the only 'noob' setup that immediately comes to mind is noob tubes, and its not like the ump is a direct counter to that...

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All that said I think rifle recoil in this game is too low

What balances the UMP is that it doesn't excel at anything. Pretty much every other SMG beats it at close range. ACR, SCAR, and TAR beat it at medium-long range.

people use the acr without sp? god that would drive me nuts.

also you mother****ers stay away from my ump. if for some reason iw does nerf it i will hold you two accountable

No, but UMP in a rush class with blast shield does. Blast shield is hugely underrated, I almost never anyone see use it.

Meant silenced ACR for a ghosting class

lol

i would use it but i can't stand the fact that it eliminates the mini map.

i keep posting endless charts and ppl still don't get it. silence a tar if you insist on silencing your AR, but dont silence the ACR.

this thread is bothering me. think i need some time away from the internet.

thank you. if it had a higher rof i would prob agree but this thread is gay so who cares

How do I get better at knifing someone?

It slaps down almost instantly. I use minimap like mad as well. You just need to get used to activating it in situations where you're likely to get naded/noob tubed. If you see the grenade indicator you have enough time to put it on.

meh lol

learn to use cover to take an unexpected route basically. there is skill in knifing for sure, which is another reason the poor analogies in this thread are starting to piss me off.