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Old 07-20-2009, 11:36 AM   #1926
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Re: Magic: The gathering Online

Really wish wizards would randomize their prints. At the release and pre-release events, seemed like everyone opened up Ajani + Garruk together if not Ajani for one guy and Garruk for the guy right next to him. Store owner passed out the packs direct from the box so there were no randomizing of packs.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:48 PM   #1927
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8-4: first three picks in order are sanctum (esper land), parasitic strix, oblivion ring

Courier's Capsule or Kiss of the Amesha ?
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:56 PM   #1928
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8-4: first three picks in order are sanctum (esper land), parasitic strix, oblivion ring

Courier's Capsule or Kiss of the Amesha ?
I like Kiss.
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:58 PM   #1929
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Caspule. Kiss is a 5cc card while Capsule is a strong Esper signal.

Also, Parasitic Strix is in Conflux. You meant Tidehollow Strix, right?
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Old 07-20-2009, 07:55 PM   #1930
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All right guys, what do I do with this sealed pool?

Artifact/Land:
Wurm's Tooth
Howling Mine
Sunpetal Grove

White:
2 Razorfoot Griffin
2 Veteran Armorguard
1 Stormfront Pegasus
1 Silvercoat Lion
1 Rhox Pikemaster
1 Excommunicate
1 Holy Strength
1 Soul Warden
1 Righteousness
1 Angel's Mercy
1 Elite Vanguard
1 Celestial Purge

Blue:
2 Horned Turtle
2 Ice Cage
1 Phantom Warrior
1 Wall of Frost
1 Jace Beleren
1 Fabricate
1 Disorient
1 Cancel
1 Sage Owl
1 Levitation
1 Tome Scour
1 Flashfreeze
1 Illusionary Servant
1 Merfolk Looter

Black:
2 Soul Bleed
1 Warpath Ghoul
1 Doom Blade
1 Drudge Skeletons
1 Duress
1 Megrim
1 Looming Shade

Red:
2 Magma Phoenix (!!)
2 Sparkmage Apprentice
2 Canyon Minotaur
2 Burst of Speed
1 Act of Treason
1 Dragon Whelp
1 Viashino Spearhunter
1 Lava Axe
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroclasm
1 Mana Barbs
1 Panic Attack

Green:
2 Giant Growth
1 Bramble Creeper
1 Centaur Courser
1 Emerald Onyx
1 Mist Leopard
1 Stampeding Rhino
1 Regenerate
1 Deadly Recluse

I had to reconstruct this from a pile of stuff, but I don't think anything playable is missing from this list.

Thanks guys!
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Old 07-20-2009, 08:33 PM   #1931
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There should also be 1 Nightmare in there, along with 2 Rise from the Grave, and 1 Relentless Rats.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:28 PM   #1932
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Ended up with this for my sligh deck with friends, thoughts?

17 Mtns
4 Strip Mines

4 Lightning Bolt 1cc
4 Incinerate 2cc
4 Fireblast 6cc/2cc

4 Mogg Fanatic 1cc
4 Tattermunge Maniac 1cc
4 Jackal Pup 1cc

4 Keldon Marauders 2cc
4 Hellspark Elemental 2cc

4 Ball Lightning 3cc
2 Viashano Sandstalker 3cc

1 Balduvian Horde 4cc

Thoughts?
Damn, this deck tested sick. Most games were over by turn 5. Fireblast provides a nice way to finish the game a turn early, really love it in this deck.
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Old 07-20-2009, 09:39 PM   #1933
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Seems like there should be something better than Mogg Fanatic given the recent rule changes. But I don't know what to suggest. Lava Spike? Meh.
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:15 PM   #1934
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Fanatic still played well even with rule change. I'm open to suggestions, but otherwise I'll leave him in for now.

Raging Goblin?
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Old 07-20-2009, 11:50 PM   #1935
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Caspule. Kiss is a 5cc card while Capsule is a strong Esper signal.

Also, Parasitic Strix is in Conflux. You meant Tidehollow Strix, right?
yah tidehollow I took kiss and wasnt pleased
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:35 AM   #1936
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I like kiss better. I think the decision is more interesting if you have a gargoyle
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Old 07-21-2009, 11:18 AM   #1937
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All right guys, what do I do with this sealed pool?

Artifact/Land:
Wurm's Tooth
Howling Mine
Sunpetal Grove

White:
2 Razorfoot Griffin
2 Veteran Armorguard
1 Stormfront Pegasus
1 Silvercoat Lion
1 Rhox Pikemaster
1 Excommunicate
1 Holy Strength
1 Soul Warden
1 Righteousness
1 Angel's Mercy
1 Elite Vanguard
1 Celestial Purge

Blue:
2 Horned Turtle
2 Ice Cage
1 Phantom Warrior
1 Wall of Frost
1 Jace Beleren
1 Fabricate
1 Disorient
1 Cancel
1 Sage Owl
1 Levitation
1 Tome Scour
1 Flashfreeze
1 Illusionary Servant
1 Merfolk Looter

Black:
2 Soul Bleed
1 Warpath Ghoul
1 Doom Blade
1 Drudge Skeletons
1 Duress
1 Megrim
1 Looming Shade

Red:
2 Magma Phoenix (!!)
2 Sparkmage Apprentice
2 Canyon Minotaur
2 Burst of Speed
1 Act of Treason
1 Dragon Whelp
1 Viashino Spearhunter
1 Lava Axe
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroclasm
1 Mana Barbs
1 Panic Attack

Green:
2 Giant Growth
1 Bramble Creeper
1 Centaur Courser
1 Emerald Onyx
1 Mist Leopard
1 Stampeding Rhino
1 Regenerate
1 Deadly Recluse

I had to reconstruct this from a pile of stuff, but I don't think anything playable is missing from this list.

Thanks guys!
2 Horned Turtle
2 Ice Cage
1 Phantom Warrior
1 Wall of Frost
1 Jace Beleren
1 Cancel
1 Sage Owl
1 Illusionary Servant
1 Merfolk Looter

2 Magma Phoenix
2 Sparkmage Apprentice
2 Canyon Minotaur
1 Act of Treason
1 Dragon Whelp
1 Viashino Spearhunter
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroclasm

1x Howling mine?

23 lands







Or you could take out howling mine, act of treason, and something else to splash 2 swamps + doomblade + 2x rise from the grave.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:11 PM   #1938
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All right guys, what do I do with this sealed pool?

White:
2 Razorfoot Griffin
2 Veteran Armorguard
1 Stormfront Pegasus
1 Silvercoat Lion
1 Rhox Pikemaster
1 Excommunicate
1 Soul Warden
1 Elite Vanguard

Red:
2 Magma Phoenix (!!)
2 Sparkmage Apprentice
2 Canyon Minotaur
1 Act of Treason
1 Dragon Whelp
1 Lava Axe
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroclasm
1 Panic Attack

Black
1 Doom Blade

8Mountain
7Plains
2Swamp
I think that is how I'd go, not sure I like splashing doomblade with 0 fixers but don't really like holy strength, or any of the other options in red and white
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:56 PM   #1939
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What about maindeck celestial purge? I know it was maindeckable easily in shards, and I think the consistency is worth it.

What about going green for the 2 giant growths with the GW dual? Seems like this deck is vulnerable to ground stalls, which that would help.
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Old 07-21-2009, 12:58 PM   #1940
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Artifact/Land:
7 Mountains
7 Plains
2 Forest
1 Sunpetal Grove

White:
2 Razorfoot Griffin
2 Veteran Armorsmith right?
1 Stormfront Pegasus
1 Silvercoat Lion
1 Rhox Pikemaster
1 Excommunicate
1 Elite Vanguard

Red:
2 Magma Phoenix (!!)
2 Sparkmage Apprentice
1 Canyon Minotaur
1 Act of Treason
1 Dragon Whelp
1 Lava Axe
1 Lightning Bolt
1 Pyroclasm
1 Panic Attack

Green:
2 Giant Growth
1 Stampeding Rhino
I mostly agree with bottomset. But I'd splash green instead. You get to have one dual land as a fixer this way. Plus 2 giant growth is awesome. Also 4/4 trample gives you one creature that can survive magma phoenix on its own. :P
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Old 07-21-2009, 01:51 PM   #1941
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I dont think you want to splash rhino
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Old 07-21-2009, 02:16 PM   #1942
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What about maindeck celestial purge? I know it was maindeckable easily in shards, and I think the consistency is worth it.

What about going green for the 2 giant growths with the GW dual? Seems like this deck is vulnerable to ground stalls, which that would help.
from my experience with M10, I think purge is a sideboard card, most red/black creatures aren't that threatening, you get beat by the spells in those colors

deathmark and flashfreeze I like a lot more as maindeck cards

as for the ground stalls, you do have panic attack, act of treason and lava axe to help with those(and obviously the phoenixes) so I don't see it being too big a problem, bomb creatures seem like a much bigger problem and doom blade is a lot better at dealing with them than giant growth
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Old 07-21-2009, 04:22 PM   #1943
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I dont think you want to splash rhino
Why not? There's nothing else bigger than 3/3 in the deck and you're playing 2 3R vanilla 3/3 creatures otherwise. It's not an early game play so there's more time to draw and play a source of green. For example, I wouldn't splash Centaur Coursers even though it's way better than Canyon Minotaur because on turn 3 you're less likely to have the source of green and you'd rather have plains/plains/mountain at that point anyway.

imo, if you're splashing green for giant growth anyway, why not improve the average quality of the creatures too if you can. But again, I wouldn't splash any small early game creatures like this.
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Old 07-21-2009, 07:22 PM   #1944
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I ended up going R/W straight, just because I feel uneasy splashing a third color without any fixing. If I opened up a B/R dual instead, I would definitely be playing Doom Blade.

I seriously considered blue though, since its overall solid (but lacking good creatures), and the theme of the deck would be "deck my opponent", which may not be great with all the bombs in this format.
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Old 07-21-2009, 08:45 PM   #1945
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17 Mtns
4 Strip Mines

4 Lightning Bolt 1cc
4 Incinerate 2cc
4 Fireblast 6cc/2cc

4 Mogg Fanatic 1cc
4 Tattermunge Maniac 1cc
4 Jackal Pup 1cc

4 Keldon Marauders 2cc
4 Hellspark Elemental 2cc

4 Ball Lightning 3cc
2 Viashano Sandstalker 3cc

1 Balduvian Horde 4cc

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Had no idea Strip Mines were banned in Legacy. Any other good disruption Lands I can use? Rishadan Port seems ok, but maybe too slow for this deck. Thoughts?
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:06 AM   #1946
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17 Mtns
4 Strip Mines

4 Lightning Bolt 1cc
4 Incinerate 2cc
4 Fireblast 6cc/2cc

4 Mogg Fanatic 1cc
4 Tattermunge Maniac 1cc
4 Jackal Pup 1cc

4 Keldon Marauders 2cc
4 Hellspark Elemental 2cc

4 Ball Lightning 3cc
2 Viashano Sandstalker 3cc

1 Balduvian Horde 4cc

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Had no idea Strip Mines were banned in Legacy. Any other good disruption Lands I can use? Rishadan Port seems ok, but maybe too slow for this deck. Thoughts?
All I can think of is Wasteland off the top of my head.

Also, I don't know if I've said this before, but Mogg Fanatic is pretty subpar now. If you're running 8 of the sui elementals, one option is Flamekin Bladewhirl as a better Jackal Pup, and maybe Flamekin Harbinger to fetch Hellsparks and Ball Lightnings.
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Old 07-22-2009, 01:18 AM   #1947
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How would the Bladewhirl work? I wouldn't have many things I could show to make it cost only 1 Mana.

Wasteland is no good, no one I play with uses non Basic Lands. Rishadan Port, Mishras Factory and Blinkmoth Nexus seem like the best bets I've found and that I have.

For Mogg Fanatic, under new rules, Lets say I attack with him, my opponent announces a blocker, I now cannot Sacrifice him or can I? I know he wouldn't deal damage If I did, but can I even do it?
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Old 07-22-2009, 02:13 AM   #1948
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Yeah you could you just can't stack damage and then sacrifice, so under the new rules it just wouldn't deal combat damage.
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Old 07-22-2009, 09:01 AM   #1949
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8-4: first three picks in order are sanctum (esper land), parasitic strix, oblivion ring

Courier's Capsule or Kiss of the Amesha ?
i think couriers capsule is the way better card. it can really help you in the early game, plus the obvious synergies with other esper cards.

kiss costs like a million and the format is so fast.
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Old 07-22-2009, 12:23 PM   #1950
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I like kiss better. I think the decision is more interesting if you have a gargoyle
I agree although I would be much more inclined to take the capsule with a gargoyle... I took kiss thinking that I may end up playing 5c

seems pretty detrimental to ship the capsule after essentially forcing esper -- something that I haven't been doing too much in the 8-4s (have been getting really strong jund and naya decks shipped to me)
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