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There's a lot of little things that annoy me like not having any idea what my opponent did after a scry. The engine has a long ways to go before you could play Lantern Control or Legacy Storm on it.

And for what it's worth, Ixalan Block Constructed is just about the worst magic format.

I'm on board in general for the Hearthstonification of MTG though.

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02-08-2018 , 11:21 AM

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Jiggymike

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As someone who’d be starting fresh I’m concerned with the potential cost, especially after only having experienced Eternals very generous F2P model - I’ve spent money to support the game and buy premium items but have never felt the need to do so to build my collection. I don’t follow MtG but my impression is it’s crazy expensive in all its forms.

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02-08-2018 , 11:30 AM

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bgordon

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jiggy - there's not much information about that right now. You can't spend money in game yet. I would be pretty surprised if Arena wasn't the cheapest way to play MTG by a lot though.

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02-08-2018 , 11:59 AM

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Anssi A

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Originally Posted by Jiggymike

Honestly, magic online is quite cheap. Standard deck costs $50-200, BUT you can re-sell the deck right away for ~90% of the cost. Sure, it is not free like alternatives, but if you want to play best decks, mtgo lets you do this right away without taking huge losses. Unlike alternatives, the cards also retain their values over time and them + winnings can be for real world money.

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02-08-2018 , 12:17 PM

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Jiggymike

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Ok thanks that’s good to know; cost isn’t necessarily an issue, I’m just not looking to sink a ton of money into anything. I guess a lot will hinge on how the draft mode(s) work because i seem to like limited a lot more than constructed in card games.

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02-08-2018 , 12:37 PM

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dkgojackets

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

while this is all true, if you are not a winning player the cost of drafts/leagues can add up

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02-08-2018 , 01:43 PM

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Krayz

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www.goatbots.com/ev

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02-08-2018 , 10:41 PM

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another loser

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Originally Posted by Anssi A

Arena will be officially announced 16.2.

What does this mean?

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02-08-2018 , 10:44 PM

#13934

another loser

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Originally Posted by Krayz

www.goatbots.com/ev

Looks pretty expensive to me

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02-09-2018 , 04:00 AM

#13935

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by cassette

Looks pretty expensive to me

I think it ignores resell value of cracked cards.

Being able to break even at 55 - 65 % win rate is pretty cheap imo.

Also I think there are special dailies with improved prizes where you only need like 40 % WR to break even.

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02-09-2018 , 10:12 AM

#13936

dkgojackets

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thats what the "cards EV" section is

the resell ev of an opened mtgo pack is extremely low

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02-09-2018 , 11:11 AM

#13937

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

thats what the "cards EV" section is

the resell ev of an opened mtgo pack is extremely low

I'm blind and missed that...

I played a sealed league in the cookie queue and was amazed at how many miss plays people make.

But constructed seems a lot cheaper than limited + you can actually be 50-50 and make a slight profit.

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02-09-2018 , 04:27 PM

#13938

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Originally Posted by cookie

Being able to break even at 55 - 65 % win rate is pretty cheap imo.

50% winrate means a loss of 4 to 6 tickets per draft (!) depending on format.

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02-09-2018 , 04:40 PM

#13939

Anssi A

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Drafts are very expensive. Best players pretty much break-even. Best EV is probably in limited PTQs.

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02-09-2018 , 04:43 PM

#13940

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Originally Posted by cassette

50% winrate means a loss of 4 to 6 tickets per draft (!) depending on format.

Please don't make **** up I didn't say, and then argue with the arguments I never made. That **** is stupid.

Being 50-50 in HS arena will get you gold broke very fast (but there is daily gold to keep you alive)

I put 55-65 %, no format mentioned.

50 % is enough in constructed.

63 % for BE in competitive sealed league

65 % Draft Competitive League

73% for Draft Friendly League is the biggest dump

Also as mentioned earlier there used to be dailies, weeklies and monthlies with improved prize structure.

I think competitive sealed league or whatever dailies pays something decent, is the way to go for limited.

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02-09-2018 , 05:38 PM

#13941

chopstick

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The ridiculous obsession with ev in the world of magical spells never ceases to amaze me.

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02-09-2018 , 05:41 PM

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Krayz

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[QUOTE=cookie;53460962]Please don't make **** up I didn't say, and then argue with the arguments I never made. That **** is stupid./QUOTE]

That escalated quickly

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02-09-2018 , 05:45 PM

#13943

Pooh-Bah

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[QUOTE=Krayz;53461238]

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Originally Posted by cookie

Please don't make **** up I didn't say, and then argue with the arguments I never made. That **** is stupid./QUOTE]

That escalated quickly

Sure did. It is just soooo tiring arguing with people who don't read what you write...

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02-09-2018 , 07:51 PM

#13944

Regret$

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Confirmed best way to make +ev in MTGO is to play poker instead.

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02-13-2018 , 12:46 PM

#13945

Pooh-Bah

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Lets play a game of "What to cut"?

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02-13-2018 , 12:49 PM

#13946

Krayz

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3 Pterodons, slash of talons IMO. Late drops that don't synergize with your vampire cards are the worst in the deck. Slash has been bad for me in this format, but you could cut something else as well.

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02-13-2018 , 01:32 PM

#13947

Willd

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Pterodon is a good card but absolutely does not belong in that deck. Slash is also a fine card but much worse in an aggressive deck than a defensive one. The only other cards I'd consider cutting are Raptor Companion and Deadeye Tormentor, the rest of the deck looks amazing.

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02-13-2018 , 04:37 PM

#13948

Pooh-Bah

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Its comp draft league. I got feeded good.

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02-14-2018 , 07:22 AM

#13949

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by Willd

No one has reached the same cuts as me, me and my mate disagrees a little on the final deck, I'll post what I did tonight + results

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02-15-2018 , 11:09 AM

#13950

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 5,989

I ended up cutting:
Raptor (Must cut imo)
1 Sun-crested
1 Recover (This is probably a wrong cut)

This is proably better
Raptor (Must cut imo)
2 Sun-crested

In general I really like Sun-crested in this format, even as only Dino

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