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Old 05-07-2017, 04:01 PM   #13826
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that would not be cool
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Old 05-08-2017, 10:02 AM   #13827
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Offline one is in the board games chess section.

You know how some players pose with their winning hands in poker when they win a tournament? Would be cool if Magic players did this with their cards or just whatever cards are left in their hand (if any).
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Don't listen to TheDavid. He doesn't own this thread. Do whatever you'd like!

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Old 05-08-2017, 12:05 PM   #13828
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Marvel seems like the best deck by a lot

I copied this guy's list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/638794#online

He's boarding in 14 cards vs counterspell decks, he probably gets that matchup to around evenish. All the creature decks are blowouts.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:32 PM   #13829
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Marvel seems like the best deck by a lot

I copied this guy's list: https://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/638794#online

He's boarding in 14 cards vs counterspell decks, he probably gets that matchup to around evenish. All the creature decks are blowouts.
Been playing a lot of Marvel variants, I don't think the Sweltering Suns makes sense main and it should have 4x Puzzleknot pre-board. Not having 3x Chandra seems criminal as well. I think Bounty of Luxa > Nissa's Renewal. I think the Glimmer path has already been tested and will not pan out.

My game plan against Blue post board that I like the most has been to go down to 1-2 Marvel and 0x Puzzleknot and having 2 Bounty of Luxa in. Not having World Breaker available is criminal too.

Prowling Serpopard looks sweet, need to test that for sure.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:22 PM   #13830
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Glimmer is excellent sb card vs blue decks.
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:55 PM   #13831
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Not really because against control you're the aggro deck and you're better off just being threat dense with consistent threats + tempo (Tracker, Luxa, Chandra) and not relying on resolving a Marvel or trying to get CA + energy against them, they have Pull from Tomorrow and just more density of draw spells no way to outrun them.

Against Marvel mirror you want to resolve something that will stick and grind out advantage over a long period of time like Tracker, Luxa, Chandra as there's limited permanent removal beyond Negate and it's hard to break through. Basically I prefer things like Dispel, Luxa or more Trackers etc..

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Old 05-08-2017, 04:43 PM   #13832
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I dunno cwar, that's not a very convincing argument that Glimmer of Genius is bad against UR Gearhulk.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:19 PM   #13833
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word on the street is ZOMBIES are legit
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Old 05-11-2017, 01:33 PM   #13834
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1vs1 Commander league is sweet. Already made 4 decks, some of them very good, some of them utterly awful.
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:14 PM   #13835
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I saw you on the 5-0 decklists. What do you think about the format?

I bought a bunch of Mystical Confluences as soon as I saw them announce the league, I guess I should sell them soon
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Old 05-12-2017, 03:25 PM   #13836
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new perspectives combo becoming a real thing would be absolutely miserable for people who like playing magic when they play magic
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Old 05-12-2017, 06:22 PM   #13837
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new perspectives combo becoming a real thing would be absolutely miserable for people who like playing magic when they play magic
I agree. It is one of those decks that is pretty fun to play, but if it is too good it makes for a miserable metagame. Fortunately it seems pretty soft to blue counter decks so it can never dominate the format.
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Old 05-13-2017, 11:29 AM   #13838
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New Perspectives is no joke, I've seen it beat control, Mardu, zombies it's a lot more flexible than it seems initially. Skill intensive + people aren't building it correctly yet mean it's probably under performed and it already has some 5-0 leagues and was brought to the PT.

It has a great Marvel match up and since I think control is unplayable in a world of zombies + mardu (not even particularly good against Marvel) it could end in a good position. Best bet I'd say it ends up tier 1.5 but there's a world where it's tier 1.
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Old 05-14-2017, 01:49 AM   #13839
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i've been playing it a fair bit online and if Cheon's UR control becomes popular it is gonna suck for me

postboard matchup is horrendous

also every card that is good against marvel is good against it as well so control has an easy easy sideboard plan in general
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Old 05-14-2017, 10:17 AM   #13840
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I think Marvel is going to dominate even more after the PT. Everyone is going to hate this standard. At least there seems to be a lot of viable directions to take the Marvel deck.

Zombies should get a lot worse. They beat up on Mardu and there's no reason to play Mardu with Marvel being the deck to beat. Zombies also fold hard to the 3 mana red sweepers which aren't getting played much right now.
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Old 05-14-2017, 11:49 AM   #13841
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hearthstone was too much rng so I started playing magic, now I just hope to dodge random turn 4 ulamogs!
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Old 05-14-2017, 12:46 PM   #13842
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I think Marvel is going to dominate even more after the PT. Everyone is going to hate this standard. At least there seems to be a lot of viable directions to take the Marvel deck.

Zombies should get a lot worse. They beat up on Mardu and there's no reason to play Mardu with Marvel being the deck to beat. Zombies also fold hard to the 3 mana red sweepers which aren't getting played much right now.
It definitely has bad match ups though, I'd say there's a 50% chance a deck emerges that can handle both Zombies and Marvel well enough (New Perspectives might work against Zombies with 4x Sweltering).

I actually think two really interesting things could be done that wouldn't involve banning Marvel:
#1 Rogue Refiner is the unsung hero of energy decks, it was a central part of Saheeli and now Marvel. And would almost certainly just be part of another tier 1 Temur Energy package if Marvel was banned (Temur Midrange no Marvel had a fine conversion % on a small sample at the PT). You could ban it without much fanfare.
#2 Unban Reflector Mage. UW Flash is the natural counter to Marvel and giving them their core piece back + an answer to Ulamog would be a positive check on Marvel.

I think the meta strength-wise is going to be balanced and moderately diverse (3+ tier 1 decks with a couple others hanging in closely). People HATE Marvel though.
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Old 05-14-2017, 03:55 PM   #13843
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New Perspectives went 1-7 vs Marvel at the Pro Tour.

http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...ges-2017-05-14
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:06 PM   #13844
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Im not deep enough into the metagame to know if marvel is balanced, its just that playing "hope they dont hit" roulette is not fun
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Old 05-14-2017, 04:34 PM   #13845
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I guess I just don't understand how it's functionally different than hoping say Ad Naseum or Modern Burn and hoping they don't hit (a format that people love). Furthermore, it's not as if hitting Ulamog ends the game, it doesn't instantly turn around a losing position nor does lock up a win from even in all spots. That was a legitimate complaint of Emrakul. Nor does Marvel restrict deck building to any degree close to Saheeli.

I think Standard would be a lot worse if the whole thing was just aggro-midrange vs. aggro-midrange which seems likely if you were to remove Marvel.

I mean look back at Mardu Vehicles now, isn't it a totally fair deck now that we've seen it was at the top based on circumstances instead of raw power or something being broken? People are just going to hate any deck that is the best and occupying >30% of the meta. Maybe that happens with Marvel, maybe that doesn't, there's going to be a lot of readjusting decks now that Marvel + Zombies are the clear target.
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:02 PM   #13846
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I dont know anything about nonstandard formats. I dont hate "vehicles" as a deck though
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Old 05-14-2017, 05:17 PM   #13847
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The most unfun part about Marvel is that you get to keep using it again and again. I would probably still be playable if it cost like 4 energy and sacrifice to activate. Now you get to keep chaining Refiners, Virtuosos etc. until you hit Ulamog.
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Old 05-14-2017, 06:20 PM   #13848
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The most unfun part about Marvel is that you get to keep using it again and again. I would probably still be playable if it cost like 4 energy and sacrifice to activate. Now you get to keep chaining Refiners, Virtuosos etc. until you hit Ulamog.
Should standard just be all midrange?

I feel like you could say the same thing about control countering all your spells and killing you with Gearhulks. If you're scenario involves the deck meeting it's conditions for advantage it seems like a poor critique.

Magic is awesome because of strategic diversity IMO. Saheeli combo and Emrakul were actual problems in standard because the games effectively ended upon resolution and they created extremely restrictive deck requirements like games couldn't go long or you needed board presence + removal.

Marvel can be significantly disrupted with very light requirements and 1 successful disruption seriously impedes it's ability to win.
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Old 05-19-2017, 10:04 AM   #13849
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sooo who wants to maaaybe play my playoff for me?

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Old 05-26-2017, 08:54 AM   #13850
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