I've gone 3-2, 3-2, 3-2, 3-2, 1-2 drop in MOCS LCQs. Between that and a few random Theros/Zendikar drafts (awful formats), my limited rating is down to 1760 lol, don't know if it's been that low in ~10 years. Super gross. At least I luckboxed a semifinal in a Modern premier tonight.

***, thanks for the posts, very much appreciated. I agree it's a pain in the ass.

I am getting owned in these "New Player" Draft Tournaments. Ha.

If half as much bad players there were in poker then maybe it might be worth playing.

Unfortunately, most of the people on there are hardcore players who are there for nostalgia. It doesn't attract enough new players then old.

Also, 2 tickets and the fact there are so many bots that drive the prices down in no time. Makes it not even worth drafting unless you're very pro are have deep pockets.

Are you saying that there are bots playing drafts? Is there any evidence of that?

I believe they mean the prices of the drafted cards goes down quickly as more rares enter circulation, which the bots facilitate.

i wanna sell my collection. i have almost everything playable before m14 including

4 FoW
4 LED
4 JTMS
40 Duals
all fetchlands
4 wastelands
some shockduals
foil Ravnica set (bob and life from the loam basically)
4 tarmogoys
4 show and tell
4 karn
4 grove of the burnwillows
etc etc

not sure what the best play is. sell it to bots? sell it card by card to humans? post it on the 2+2 marketplace?


anyone wanna buy it? :P

There's some bot/site that used to allow you to upload the text output of your collection to their site and they would give you a quote for buying the whole thing. (might have been the 'marlon' bot/site)

I was thinking of selling a few years ago and got a quote, but it was clearly much lower than the cards were worth. For good reason, of course...if they're going to buy an entire collection they have to reduce their own risk and have some sort of profit margin. However, it was low enough that I just decided to skip selling. All that said, if you do the same, you might be able to at least define the floor for what you could get for your collection.

I imagine that with a little more effort (and initial investment) you could set up a bot for yourself and have it do the selling over time. That way you could get much closer to a market price for your cards, and maybe even beat out a wholesale buyer long before you sell all the cards. If you don't already have a second account, get one set up and and put some cheaper or middle-of-the-road cards in it, and then test having a bot sell cards from that account.

That would explain a fair bit. That and I just suck at drafting. Seemed initially like a fun way to play vs other folks w/o having a full set to build from and have perfect decks, but I definitely need to learn what/how to draft. Never did anything other than constructed before (way back in the day).

Marten, the Skype chat guys are getting into legacy so start there. I might want some of it, probably want to liquidate the big ticket items to people like us, then bulk the rest for tix and swap tix for stars or w/e.

Looking at http://www.magicev.com/, you can see that the EV of Limited is much worse than constructed regardless of your win %. Still, I know a lot of people (including me) strongly prefer limited anyway, but it definitely takes some work getting good at it.

Snagged two Stormbreath Dragon's in my first ten packs of THS. That can only result in me wanting to by more and more.

Decided to sell my collection card by card instead of selling all of it to bot chains.

So if any of u guys are interested in buying modern/legacy/vintage stuff hit me up on mtgo my username is martenJ.

i got pretty much everything until m14. ill sell for somewhere between supernova buying and selling price

you can try selling to aboshanbot, they buy pretty much everything at close to supernova selling price

AboshanBot does have competitive buy prices, but I've had several experiences when I try to sell a card to it and it doesn't take the card it advertised as buying. This is not a case of two different versions either, since it has happened on cards where only one kind exists. I have been happy selling to Aboshan when it works though.

One cash/feature match GP deserves another. 59th at Vancouver for $300/1 more pro point. You can watch the feature match here.

Ran well above expectation. Played mediocre on day 1(8-1) and awful on day 2(2-4, 10-5 total). All of my mistakes only led to a punt in a game 1 on day 2. Not sure if I could have impacted any of the other matches, but they were mistakes nonetheless.

I can name so many unique mistakes I made:

Forgetting to evolve Cloudfin Raptor late game on a big board
Saccing an elemental token that could attack instead of one with summoning sickness.
Forgot Pack rat damage math(this one you can see in the feature in both games 2 and 3, though in game 3, I think it's fine given that I'm pretty sure he has Desecration Demon in hand, and no more removal)
Not chumping with a meaningless Raptor in the mirror vs. Thassa to stay ahead on the Thassa swing race.
Miscounting lethal and leaving my opponent at 1, despite tanking for 1-2 minutes.

I had a lot of fun though. Day 2 finished at 3pm, and I had no hotel room until my flight out on Monday at 8am. Did a cube, money draft, and a team Modo Theros 8-4 with Shahar, Pardee, Holiday, Oliver, etc. and really learned a lot of nuances and how their minds operate.

Thanks to cueball for the deck.

Cube is back today.

Unpowered, but still cube.

Cube is getting boring. 17-1 so far. I'm taking back what I said about Boros being just as stupidly powerful in powered cube. It's still far and away the best deck there, but in this cube it's like an actual joke.

Might start forcing storm or something soon.

Anyone doing pre-release tonight?! What color you guys picking and why?

How badly did I screw up the build? Mostly wondering about Cursed Scroll and Smother but will take any advice.

9-1 in my last 10 cube matches entirely on the back of imposing sovereign in base white aggro decks. It's just so good in W, Wr, or Wb in this cube. Sneak Attack? Thats nice, are you done? Spend your turn 6 to cast Elspeth? Ok attack you for lots. Deranged Hermit? Adorable. Obzedat? That's a nice 5 mana recurring drain 2. Then factoring in that it's a bear on top of that netting 4-6 damage on its own? Just so hot right now.

Though I just lost the finals to a deck that had smokestack and upheaval. Was a pretty awkward game 3 when he played stack on turn 3 and then upheavaled into garruk once I fought through the stax anyways. Think I punted, but was easily the most interesting match I've played in ages.

This guy gets it! Sovereign is indeed a pretty high pick, very very strong.

chopstick, you absolutely must play Molten Rain first of all, that's by far the biggest mistake. Cards that aren't very good in the maindeck and which I wouldn't play are Flametongue, Mark of Mutiny and Oona's Prowler. I'd play Molten Rain, Urabrask (underrated), and Cursed Scroll instead.

Edit: Oh just 16 lands? Cut Urabrask or Scroll for a Mountain for sure. Probably Urabrask even though I'm somewhat of a fan.

Turns out I was a bit off, as it was only 3/4 decks that had Sovereign at that point. Ended up going 13-2 in matches today over 5 drafts by forcing some combination of RW aggro (edit: Single Elim queues).

Deck 1 (3-0)




Deck 2 (2-1)



I maindecked the Price of Process (and had a Magus of the Moon in the side) and both were great every match. Everyone seems to have a nonbasic or two at the least (even the mono colored decks have things like Cradle/Karakas/Port/etc) and in some matchups it was even better. Ended up losing to a more aggressive W/b deck.



Deck 3 (3-0)



Rolled through this one. Archangel went nuts with Soldier of the Pantheon once, so that was cool.



Deck 4 (2-1)



Ended up losing the finals to that smokestack/upheaval deck I mentioned. I'm pretty sure I punted it.



Deck 5 (3-0)



This one wasn't nearly as aggressive as the other builds, but it taxed the opponents more with hokiri, riders, geddon and zo-zu.






So after a long, long day of drafting I've come to the conclusion that whichever poster it is that's been harping on taking this route is absolutely correct. It crushed all the decks that were trying to abuse reanimate spells like Necromancy and Animate Dead as well as the ones ramping out Terastodon, Eldrazi, or Avenger of Zendikon. It had the edge on the mono-red decks I played with the consistently late Paladin en-vic and Silver Knight as well as the B/G decks with Knight of Glory, Mirran Crusader, and Hand of Honor. You're too aggressive for the blue based control decks to keep up (won multiple games through both wrath and day of judgment) and have too much reach and removal for a lot of the GW or GR aggro decks (they are a bit slower but bigger, but by the time they take over your reach should finish it off).

The card I was most impressed with was Imposing Sovereign by far. It was always good, even if it was drawn later. It was directly responsible for at least two of my wins, forcing opponents with Sneak Attack and Obzedat to be negating large aspects of their best cards. It was also partially responsible for 2 others - one when my opponent spent turn 6 casting big Elspeth for 3 tapped creatures letting me Hellrider for the win and a similar set up vs an Avenger of Zendikar.

The 2nd most was Chaos Warp. I turned a Karn into a Ratchet Bomb, a Jace into an Island, and a Birthing Pod into nothing.

Both of those cards were picked up super late initially in the drafts and I don't think they should be.


Give forcing W based aggro a try next time out. It was a lot of fun to play also.

Jim,

15-2 is no 17-1, but still not bad!

"So after a long, long day of drafting I've come to the conclusion that whichever poster it is that's been harping on taking this route is absolutely correct."

That would be me, for like a year heh.

well then, thank you