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11-11-2013 , 04:49 AM
I think I play horse in this deck also
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11-13-2013 , 06:13 AM
boon of erebos is the best trix in limited after god's willing I'd play it over titan's strength

I'd remove that unicorn which is totally awful cardfor the horse
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11-13-2013 , 08:27 AM
So wizards suspended all premiere level events until they can get them fixed? I don't play a lot of premiere level events online but this just reinforces to me how garbage their programming team is. They need to stop hiring programmers that are enthusiastic magic players and start hiring programmers that know how to program.
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11-13-2013 , 08:46 AM
My guess is they chose the project leader internally, which is obviously terrible when you try to develop a new software... . that might be due to internal hiring rules or they're just morons which is way more likely...

I've read an article saying they hired a consultant and he managed to do a better modo in a few time starting from 0, I think they'll finally invest on that software which is infinite +EV and hire professional programmers.
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11-13-2013 , 09:34 AM
Constructed cards price dropping insanely following this morning announcement
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11-13-2013 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
My guess is they chose the project leader internally, which is obviously terrible when you try to develop a new software... . that might be due to internal hiring rules or they're just morons which is way more likely...

I've read an article saying they hired a consultant and he managed to do a better modo in a few time starting from 0, I think they'll finally invest on that software which is infinite +EV and hire professional programmers.
Do you have a link to that article? Sounds interesting.

So time to buy up a bunch of theros standard cards?
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11-13-2013 , 12:25 PM
don't have the direct link of that article but for example

back in 2003 who was in charge of MTGO development?

http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazin...e%2Fnews112603

Ladies & Gentleman RANDY BUEHLER. YES WOTC actually thought that a PT player was a match to develop an ultra sophisticated software

Actuel Head of MTGO is MIKE TURIAN. YES NEVER MAKE TWICE THE SAME MISTAKE. Why don't we hire another Pro tour player to try it ....

Idk about card prices, I heard it from friends but had no time to log on to see if it's interesting
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11-13-2013 , 01:03 PM
Having worked behind the scenes of a major server/client software company, I have huge degree of sympathy for them - it's not so easy to do.
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11-13-2013 , 01:08 PM
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Having worked behind the scenes of a major server/client software company, I have huge degree of sympathy for them - it's not so easy to do.
Totally agree with you, that's why you pay professional developers (I mean companies programming all day long) to do those things and you do not try to do it homemade

I really can't have sympathy for a WOTC who has promoted 2 magic player to develop such a difficult thing
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11-13-2013 , 02:30 PM
Reading kiblers twitter from the past few days was pretty entertaining.
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11-13-2013 , 02:44 PM
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Having worked behind the scenes of a major server/client software company, I have huge degree of sympathy for them - it's not so easy to do.
You guys got it right relatively quickly. Wizards has not got it right in over 10 years.

edit: wizards has the resources to create a truly awesome magic online experience. i think for the longest time they operated under the assumption that if they made their online product too good, it would kill their cardboard product. this could not be further from the truth, and the inverse of such logic can be seen in industries like poker.

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11-13-2013 , 05:13 PM
And now they are facing more competition then ever in the online space. I've been playing hearthstone and have no interest in going back to MTGO for theros drafts. (Still prefer magic constructed over hearth stone though). And there's tons more coming out all the time, hex, ascension, soul forge. Wizards needs to up their online game and I really hope this is the kick in The butt they need.
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11-13-2013 , 07:30 PM
Anyone here headed to the legacy GP in DC? Would happily meet for a drink/bite/loan cards if needed
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11-14-2013 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
Having worked behind the scenes of a major server/client software company, I have huge degree of sympathy for them - it's not so easy to do.
I always assumed the actual MTGO devs were understaffed, underpaid, and possibly underqualified people yanked from elsewhere in WoTC. Barring the early Leaping Lizard days, the MTGO client has always been a flaming bucket of crap but I always blamed upper management for that situation. I agree with Ian that they had a near-monopoly until recently (and that reason alone may have been enough of an excuse to only "kind of" support MTGO).
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11-14-2013 , 08:07 PM
It's kind of strange because I remember years and years ago when the client was waayyy worse than it is today. I think it was back during Time Spiral block when they were having server issues almost every day and I was using it to enter drafts and sealed just for opening stuff since I could be reasonably certain that I'd be getting everything compensated when there was the inevitable crash. That isn't to say though that it isn't still a massive turd, because god knows it is. The thing with Kibler is probably the best thing that could've happened for regular players. Interesting to see if and how much it all gets better.

BTW thanks for all the input on that sealed. Definitely been overrating two-drops and speed in sealed. I've found most matches you can get away with not even playing creatures til turn 3 or 4, which is weird after having done THS drafts for so long and getting used to how important tempo and a solid mana curve is.

If you aren't sick of this yet, I've got another sealed pool that could use some critiquing. This one wasn't quite as simple, but I think I actually made mostly correct decisions. You'll notice how crazy shallow it is in pretty much every colour and creatures are pretty bad. Think maybe both Benthic Giants was bad, but I just had no idea what to replace it with. It came out pretty much every game for Annul, but interested to hear your thoughts.

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11-14-2013 , 08:45 PM
Id prob splash the 3/2 guy and the bestow white card and maybe divine verdict

Its very hard to leave bestow cards out of deck in sealed, and the 3/2 guy is still pretty strong late, a lot of times they cant kill it if you ordeal

Probably cut portent, the 0/6 and one of the 6drop dudes
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11-14-2013 , 09:57 PM
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It's kind of strange because I remember years and years ago when the client was waayyy worse than it is today. I think it was back during Time Spiral block when they were having server issues almost every day and I was using it to enter drafts and sealed just for opening stuff since I could be reasonably certain that I'd be getting everything compensated when there was the inevitable crash. That isn't to say though that it isn't still a massive turd, because god knows it is. The thing with Kibler is probably the best thing that could've happened for regular players. Interesting to see if and how much it all gets better.

BTW thanks for all the input on that sealed. Definitely been overrating two-drops and speed in sealed. I've found most matches you can get away with not even playing creatures til turn 3 or 4, which is weird after having done THS drafts for so long and getting used to how important tempo and a solid mana curve is.

If you aren't sick of this yet, I've got another sealed pool that could use some critiquing. This one wasn't quite as simple, but I think I actually made mostly correct decisions. You'll notice how crazy shallow it is in pretty much every colour and creatures are pretty bad. Think maybe both Benthic Giants was bad, but I just had no idea what to replace it with. It came out pretty much every game for Annul, but interested to hear your thoughts.

Am I the only one thinking that red probably shouldn't be in this deck?

I mean yeah, OMG OMG Stormbreath Dragon, but beyond that most of the red is mediocre. You're finding a way to run Dragon Mantle, Coordinated Assault, AND Titans Strength in a slow deck with only one bestow creature and only 12 creatures you ever want in the red zone offensively.

Seems to me that choosing either white or green to compliment the blue will result in a much more robust deck. Overall it looks to me like the deck ends up with a pretty low overall power level and a huge lack of synergy for the sake of one bomb.
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11-15-2013 , 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Merton1919
It's kind of strange because I remember years and years ago when the client was waayyy worse than it is today. I think it was back during Time Spiral block when they were having server issues almost every day and I was using it to enter drafts and sealed just for opening stuff since I could be reasonably certain that I'd be getting everything compensated when there was the inevitable crash. That isn't to say though that it isn't still a massive turd, because god knows it is.
When I first tried MTGO, 2.0 wasn't even out yet. They started with an amazing client that unfortunately suffered scaling problems, and it's never gotten back to that level.

I was an alpha tester for 3. Less than two weeks later they said "**** it" and released it (they claimed the scaling problems got so bad that it was either a turd or nothing). They've been polishing the turd ever since.

EDIT: ok I went and looked at kibler's twitter and this was pretty funny: https://twitter.com/bmkibler/status/400678988382629888

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11-15-2013 , 05:47 AM
Black is the best match for the blue in that pool

you have insane early drop to control the game 1 phalanx 2 eidolon deathtouch the intimidate guy is pretty strong in sealed , scourgemark is a really good card with flyers and gray merchant+ hero's downfall, and the undead centaur is a better blocker than a 0/6 wall

replace all red cards + unicorn by all black cards except for the 3/3 for 6 which is a good sideboard card to switch with giant Vs aggressive decks

I see unicorn in a lots of decks here, but really guys this card just sucks almost 95% of time, just count how many times you win games with an aggressive deck because opponent plays unicorn T3 and can't do anything with it.

Plus having unicorn or traveler's amulet IS NOT A REASON to splash. Splashing a third color is bad in a format where you can get raped so fast by heroics.
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11-15-2013 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by guivre1408
Black is the best match for the blue in that pool

you have insane early drop to control the game 1 phalanx 2 eidolon deathtouch the intimidate guy is pretty strong in sealed , scourgemark is a really good card with flyers and gray merchant+ hero's downfall, and the undead centaur is a better blocker than a 0/6 wall

replace all red cards + unicorn by all black cards except for the 3/3 for 6 which is a good sideboard card to switch with giant Vs aggressive decks

I see unicorn in a lots of decks here, but really guys this card just sucks almost 95% of time, just count how many times you win games with an aggressive deck because opponent plays unicorn T3 and can't do anything with it.

Plus having unicorn or traveler's amulet IS NOT A REASON to splash. Splashing a third color is bad in a format where you can get raped so fast by heroics.
My thoughts:

Unicorn is fine if you have a lot of ways to use it, that is, a substantial number for 4-6 drops.

Also, its value goes up in sealed imo because Theros sealed is just so much slower than Theros draft. Your chances of running into a nut bestow curve in sealed go way down.

That said, I agree that if you're thinking of splashing or not splashing, having a unicorn shouldn't make the difference.
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11-15-2013 , 09:29 AM
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My thoughts:

Unicorn is fine if you have a lot of ways to use it, that is, a substantial number for 4-6 drops.

Also, its value goes up in sealed imo because Theros sealed is just so much slower than Theros draft. Your chances of running into a nut bestow curve in sealed go way down.

That said, I agree that if you're thinking of splashing or not splashing, having a unicorn shouldn't make the difference.
If your sealed is a 7+ rounds tournament, you'll meet a fair number of WR heroic ultra-aggressive.

In fact WR heroic ultra aggressive is the best sealed in the format when you can gather the right amount of low curve creatures + trixs. There's a lot of 3 mana rares that makes good aggressive deck play 2/3 rares and Anax & Cyanide or 2/2 double strike heroic are just nightmares to deals with

If you want to win or top 8 you'll increase the chances of meeting the best decks so if you want to win you have to take into consideration aggressive decks in Theros sealed.

That's why I think you have to build your sealed more controllish when you can't be the ultra aggressor, and the best way to control an aggressive deck with that pool is to play black because deathtouch is one of the best way to block in a format where aggresive decks are really hard to stop because they always have combat tricks in hand
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11-16-2013 , 09:50 PM
Just won MOCS Unfortunately had to play vs Ben in top4.

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11-17-2013 , 03:59 AM
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Just won MOCS Unfortunately had to play vs Ben in top4.

Nice. The basic plan is just to shoot them in the face with everything until they die? :P
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11-17-2013 , 06:53 AM
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Nice. The basic plan is just to shoot them in the face with everything until they die? :P
Pretty much. In some MU's you need to kill some guys too and grind it out with Chandra.
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11-17-2013 , 03:09 PM
That stupid 4 drop artifact horse is a lot better than it seems like it would be. (limited)
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