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09-02-2012 , 03:46 AM
GW Charm is insane. UW charm doesn't really DO anything, it is just annoying tempo card. tbh not sure if I'd want it in delver. UR seems pretty good too although all modes are overcosted.
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09-02-2012 , 03:50 AM
UW delver loses a lot. While Geist goes up in power since image and metamorph rotate, I think Delver will switch to UR. The UR Delver deck did win a GP (the metagame was much different, but still). It just depends on if there are any good cantrips.

Last edited by Cueballmania; 09-02-2012 at 03:50 AM. Reason: Bonfire is a BIG GAME
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09-02-2012 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Cueballmania
UW delver loses a lot. While Geist goes up in power since image and metamorph rotate, I think Delver will switch to UR. The UR Delver deck did win a GP (the metagame was much different, but still). It just depends on if there are any good cantrips.
Yeah, depending on the cantrips + other instants, Guttersnipe and Izzet Charm just look fun in a UR Delver deck.
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09-02-2012 , 09:14 PM
It will be funny when delver is still #1
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09-02-2012 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Cueballmania
UW delver loses a lot. While Geist goes up in power since image and metamorph rotate, I think Delver will switch to UR. The UR Delver deck did win a GP (the metagame was much different, but still). It just depends on if there are any good cantrips.
Ponder is such a huge card in Delver - it's going to be tough to find a cantrip that replaces Ponder. I think without that card, Delver's just not going to be consistent enough.
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09-03-2012 , 03:22 AM
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Ponder is such a huge card in Delver - it's going to be tough to find a cantrip that replaces Ponder. I think without that card, Delver's just not going to be consistent enough.
Yeah, ponder was KEY to help delvers flip asap as well as smooth out the draws to find the lands (so they can run low land counts and maximize snap casters effeciency).

Delver just wont be nearly as agressive, delvers flipping less often and losing vapor snag is pretty important.

Highly unlikely it's functionally will be replaced.
Delver of secrets may still be a decent card without ponder, but it's power level is going to go down significantly.

It's almost certainly going to need another big tool to compete.

Zombies for examples loses almost none of it's ESSENTIAL cards (mortarpod and fume spitter are gone, but those werent essential and are likely replaceable).
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09-03-2012 , 03:25 AM
Side brag:
Just came back from PAX. Entered 4 tourneys, Won 2 and got 3rd in another (25-35 people in each).

Won a standard event with Mono-G infect and a sealed event with a G/R deck that had two krenko mob bosses.

Won 2 uncut full set foil M13 sheets (all rares + uncommon).

Pretty happy
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09-03-2012 , 05:07 AM
how is modo these days should i sign up again?
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09-03-2012 , 05:50 AM
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Yeah, ponder was KEY to help delvers flip asap as well as smooth out the draws to find the lands (so they can run low land counts and maximize snap casters effeciency).

Delver just wont be nearly as agressive, delvers flipping less often and losing vapor snag is pretty important.

Highly unlikely it's functionally will be replaced.
Delver of secrets may still be a decent card without ponder, but it's power level is going to go down significantly.

It's almost certainly going to need another big tool to compete.

Zombies for examples loses almost none of it's ESSENTIAL cards (mortarpod and fume spitter are gone, but those werent essential and are likely replaceable).
+1 on everything. If I go to States, I will almost certainly be bringing something with four Knight of Glorys in the mainboard (I would play zombies but it really is not my style of deck).
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09-03-2012 , 08:12 AM
First decks that would be played after rotation are Jund (Coming from Block post-Token ban), Zombies & Necra Tokens (GWB)

Then you start people brewing UR/URW/UW decks that are more in the controlling spectrum.

I hope there would be a combo deck viable & a huge sleeper like Bonfire so I can make monies

The new Niv-Mizzet is going to be overhyped in price because EDH loves this one + it can have Constructed potential due unknown format;



Btw if you play Paper, get those duals from Innistrad under <$4.5 because SCG already sells them at $8
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09-03-2012 , 08:38 AM
lol scg prices

Shockland pricing will be interesting to watch.
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09-05-2012 , 03:00 PM
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Won 2 uncut full set foil M13 sheets (all rares + uncommon).

Pretty happy
Could you post some picks ? Sick
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09-05-2012 , 10:11 PM
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lol scg prices

Shockland pricing will be interesting to watch.
probably will be a lot like fetches, start around 15 drop to 10 spike during modern season
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09-05-2012 , 10:59 PM
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probably will be a lot like fetches, start around 15 drop to 10 spike during modern season
Shouldn't they basically free fall? I mean, I don't even feel like I play that much MTGO, and I was up to an entire playset of the M13 duals not long before the set came out. These will have the same rarity. There's going to be three months of an MTGO RTR draft popping roughly every four seconds.
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09-05-2012 , 11:04 PM
they have the same rarity as zendikar fetches(a set that sold a ****ton too)

m13duals have been printed in 4sets, though with shocks you often only need like 1-3 of them rather than 4
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09-06-2012 , 07:25 AM
Rav duals will be way cheaper than Zen fetches.

Why?

1. There will be ~1.3-1.8 times more ravnica duals in circulation than zendikar fetches.
2. Zen fetches see play in both Legacy and Modern, Rav duals only in modern.

I guess it was good I sold most of my duals 1½ month ago even though I would have gotten way more 3mo ago.
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09-06-2012 , 12:25 PM
Nah, demand for shocklands will be way higher overall than zen fetches.

Abrupt Decay is a crazy awesome card. Rakdos's Return is pure ****, I can't believe it's mythic.
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09-06-2012 , 02:30 PM
Is Duels of the Planeswalker 2013 a good value (at 9.99) if you just want to play against real people with basic decks? (or doesn't it play multiplayer?)

I've been playing the demo and want to try out modo, but I've heard it won't be worth it if you aren't planning on buying more and building out decks to be more competitive.
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09-06-2012 , 02:42 PM
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Is Duels of the Planeswalker 2013 a good value (at 9.99) if you just want to play against real people with basic decks? (or doesn't it play multiplayer?)

I've been playing the demo and want to try out modo, but I've heard it won't be worth it if you aren't planning on buying more and building out decks to be more competitive.
If you know about Magic to want the shallow DotP card pool but without all the downsides of DotP itself, you could try planeswalker format on MODO. You can buy sets that are essentially "every card in DotP [X edition]" that are only legal when played against other people using that same card pool, so no card rotation or getting destroyed by people's legacy-legal decks.
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09-06-2012 , 02:44 PM
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Shouldn't they basically free fall? I mean, I don't even feel like I play that much MTGO, and I was up to an entire playset of the M13 duals not long before the set came out. These will have the same rarity. There's going to be three months of an MTGO RTR draft popping roughly every four seconds.
M13 duals are far worse and have been in like 3-4 core sets at this point
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09-07-2012 , 08:29 AM
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Rav duals will be way cheaper than Zen fetches.

Why?

1. There will be ~1.3-1.8 times more ravnica duals in circulation than zendikar fetches.
2. Zen fetches see play in both Legacy and Modern, Rav duals only in modern.

I guess it was good I sold most of my duals 1½ month ago even though I would have gotten way more 3mo ago.
I second that
Fetches are as liquid as money at GPs, when dealing with dealers/other players. It's the first cards I want to trade with other people

Demand may spike in the first 2 weeks or during prerelease of RtR as every set has some ''must-get cards''. I will happily trade away my Hallowed Fountain for Misty Rainforest/ScaldingTarn or even the lower end ZEN fetch

Mind you that this can/will be drafted a lot after AVR & a Core set





On a side note, I need 25-55 Tix on MTGO fast! I have Paypal (gift), Skrill or Stars , anyone?
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09-08-2012 , 04:00 AM
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October 13th. Same weekend as the team GP. :-(
Is this confirmed for California? Rhode Island is having States on the 14th due to the SCG Open Standard Event running on the 13th.

http://www.facebook.com/events/438919289492323/
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09-08-2012 , 04:44 AM
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Rav duals will be way cheaper than Zen fetches.

Why?

1. There will be ~1.3-1.8 times more ravnica duals in circulation than zendikar fetches.
2. Zen fetches see play in both Legacy and Modern, Rav duals only in modern.

I guess it was good I sold most of my duals 1½ month ago even though I would have gotten way more 3mo ago.
Your point is 100% accurate, but have an inkling they will be reprinting fetch lands sometime in the next 3 years as well.

They have admitted that they are trying to make modern more accessible to "the public". The shock land reprints were a step in this direction.
Reprinting fetches are a perfect way of lowering the cost of modern without just randomly reprinting a tarmogoyf.

Seems logical that if they were willing to reprint lands as powerful as shocks, they'll do it with fetch (altho fetch dont have the same "world" significance as the Ravnica duals).


Doubt Rav duals will ever drop below 8-10$ because there likely wont be a BETTER replacement land cycle legal in modern for a VERY long time. People will be too attached to them and their historical value to let it drop too low.
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09-08-2012 , 05:25 AM
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M13 duals are far worse and have been in like 3-4 core sets at this point
Well, here's hoping they stay high - it might be bad for constructed players, but relatively common (rare ain't as rare as it used to be....) money cards in a set make it way easier to go infinite or near infinite playing draft/sealed.

The thing is, what usually pushes certain rares to nuts prices is when they get placed in a middle or third set, because then the limited events only involve their packs being opened at a third of the rate of when it's placed in a set that ends up getting drafted by itself.

Maybe I'm overestimating the amount of product that will get opened, but half of MODO has a playset of M13, and the hype for RTR is way higher.

I mean, I get that the M13 Duals have seen more than a couple core sets at this point, but bots are selling them for .1-.2 tix each. I don't think RTR duals will get that low, but once the initial frenzy dies down, I wouldn't be shocked to see them going for 2 tix apiece and the unpopular ones for even less.
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09-08-2012 , 09:55 AM
So... it's been a long while since I've played constructed Magic. I don't really have the money for or the interest in Legacy/Classic, so I started with Standard.

Played about ten matches, eight of which were vs. Delver.

Bored by playing the same decks every time, I figured I would try block constructed. Played ten matches, every single one vs. the same G/R/b/w "good stuff" deck with aristocrats, silverhearts, borderland rangers, etc.

I'm not generally in the "anti-net decking" crowd, but is this what Magic is now? Some pros win a few tournaments with a deck, it gets reported on mtg.com, and then 80% of the population copies the deck and plays mirror matches until the next big set comes out?

I like my deck, and it has a good win rate against the deck everyone is playing, but I'm not playing MTGO to "grind it out" and win packs at a dollar an hour or whatever.

Am I doing it wrong somehow? Should I just stick to scheduled events? Constructed magic seems disappointingly stagnant imo. :-/
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