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Old 08-02-2019, 05:35 PM   #21876
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Re: Let's talk about Stream and buy mountains of games

But Valve didn't require that, it's was the dev/publisher's choice. Most just didn't want to deal with the hassle of setting up their own launcher or service.
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Old 08-02-2019, 05:56 PM   #21877
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I have no words for how the developers of 'ooblets' have announced/dealt with going epic exclusive.

Firstly they start off announcing that they had gone to epic in a pre-emtpive, condescending and passive-aggressive post about how toxic entitled gamers need to stfu and care more about climate change and human rights violations than developers going to epic and then they follow it up by lolling at anyone explaining why they have issues with it with clueless "we don't owe you the game"-posts.

I mean... I didn't know the game existed 24 hours ago and do not care if they've gone epic exclusive, but how on earth do you go about it like this?

https://ooblets.com/2019/07/we-did-the-thing/

The 'perplamps' ranting about toxic, entitled gamers in response to rational questions/comments in the following screenshots is one of the developers btw...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...Sem_Titulo.png

https://imgur.com/a/7du1ztj

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EA7tnZ5XsAUEqcy?format=jpg

Edit: relevant to Steam because obv they did the usual thing where they use(d) Steam to market the game. Lots more fun examples of the developers stellar treatment of this issue in the discussion section there btw.
They also waited until the first of the month to make this announcement, conveniently just after their Patreon supporters are charged for August.

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Old 08-02-2019, 06:03 PM   #21878
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They also waiting until the first of the month to make this announcement, conveniently just after their Patreon supporters are charged for August.
Yup, but as "perplamps" points out "they don't even need the Patreon money now" thanks to epic so f those who have supported them there I guess...



Srsly - nevermind epic and all that... how is it possible for any developer to approach anything like this? It's been going on for so long that it can't just be a drunken night that he'll regret once he sobers up or anything like that either. At this point, surely even epic has to regret signing them..?

This guy comes across like one of the worst f'ing dickheads of all times when it comes to game developers... maybe that's the title he's going for - he's certainly gone from pretty much total obscurity to making sure a lot more people know about him I guess. I'm not so sure all publicity is good publicity though.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:21 PM   #21879
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I am pretty loyal to steam but honestly I buy more of my 'steam' games outside of the steam client than inside of it. I've probably spent more on dota hats inside steam than all of the rest of the stuff i have bought there (steam's prices are typically higher than just waiting for a game to go onsale on the developer site or similar). As far as downloading another ****ty run on startup have to keep updated launcher to play a game that's probably not even a game interesting to me, I'll pass. Yes I get you can turn a lot of these options off, but I bought darkest dungeon on gog and question whether it was worth saving $10 everytime i have to fire up the goglauncher. Not doubting there is a non-0% chance that Epic will release something or offer discounts worth downloading their software, but i am highly uninterested for the moment.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:43 PM   #21880
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See, that's a weird angle to take. It's basically painless to open another client. If said client itself is a pain, though, that's another matter.
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Old 08-02-2019, 07:46 PM   #21881
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I bought darkest dungeon on gog and question whether it was worth saving $10 everytime i have to fire up the goglauncher.
GOG is awesome though. They, and CDPR symbolize everything that's right with game distribution. As much as I like Steam, GOG runs circles around all.

What they're planning with GOG 2.0 is looking really promising and is something everyone should support.
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:48 PM   #21882
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See, that's a weird angle to take. It's basically painless to open another client. If said client itself is a pain, though, that's another matter.
It's not painless if you are on an old or underperforming rig. One of the worst things steam ever did was require that you use the launcher to play the game. Want my business? Let me DL the game with the launcher and play without running your client. That would be forward progress.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:01 PM   #21883
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Want my business? Let me DL the game with the launcher and play without running your client. That would be forward progress.
Thats one of the things GOG gives you though, so I don't understand why you're complaining about the game you bought there if that's the issue?

Games you buy on GOG can be downloaded and played both without the client and without internet-access for verification. If GOG folds, you can still play the games bought there, unlike most (possibly all) the other distributors.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:03 PM   #21884
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I didn't realize that. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:11 PM   #21885
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Also, a lot of Stream games can launch without having the client open. Navigate to the steamapps folder and open the .exe directly.

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Old 08-02-2019, 09:18 PM   #21886
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themoreyouknow.jpg, I think I knew the steamapps folder trick but haven't used it in a long time. A lot of stuff I play has lobby integration but its been one of the worst decisions in game design over the last 10 years IMO.
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Old 08-02-2019, 09:34 PM   #21887
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Ooblets developer went through their reddit page and removed every thread from when they made their announcement and then closed the sub.

This link shows the sub as it was, with the removed threads in red:

https://snew.notabug.io/r/Ooblets/

I still have no clue how anyone can be stupid enough to go about something like this in this manner. How do people like this function well enough to make a game?
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Old 08-02-2019, 10:21 PM   #21888
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Reminds me of that time a dev gave TB a copy of his game to review then demonitized it when he didn't like the review. I miss that dude.
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Old 08-03-2019, 01:27 AM   #21889
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I still have no clue how anyone can be stupid enough to go about something like this in this manner. How do people like this function well enough to make a game?
Well, they need not sell any copies to customers in order to profit from making their game. They are now free to behave as they like without repercussion. There's a reason for some people a certain sum can be called "FU money".

My mind is boggled by some of the recent responses to EGS deals along the lines of "This means the game will be better now", such as Mechwarrior. Why exactly? Surely if the profitability of a product depends on how well it sells, that will push it to be actually good in the hope that a good thing reviews well and generates sales - rather than being a profitable venture whether it releases in a good state or full of game breaking bugs. Or indeed reveal their off-the-charts level of contempt for their supporters / patreon donators / paying customers.
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Old 08-03-2019, 07:59 AM   #21890
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Well, they need not sell any copies to customers in order to profit from making their game. They are now free to behave as they like without repercussion. There's a reason for some people a certain sum can be called "FU money".
Still, you'd think having spent so much time and effort on their game, they'd want as many people as possible playing it regardless of if it makes them a lot of money.

Perhaps seeing someone go off like this, and trying their best to suicide their game, will lead to epic thinking twice before throwing huge sums at random developers in the future.
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:03 PM   #21891
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Old 08-03-2019, 03:11 PM   #21892
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He sure is doing a great job making Steam look like the villains here...
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:46 PM   #21893
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Sorry, that is a joke and I am r/whooshing right now???!!!

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Old 08-04-2019, 01:07 AM   #21894
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LOL I looked up what this is about and you people are children.

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But Valve didn't require that, it's was the dev/publisher's choice. Most just didn't want to deal with the hassle of setting up their own launcher or service.
loooooooooooool yeah man the nice fellows at Valve just helping out a buddy.
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:19 AM   #21895
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You've completely missed the point of that post, and likely this entire discussion.
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Old 08-04-2019, 01:38 AM   #21896
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Oh, then, my apologies.


Explain it to me like I'm 5. I'm all ears.
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Old 08-04-2019, 03:27 AM   #21897
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Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Old 08-04-2019, 03:36 AM   #21898
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I was kind of seeing where the Dev was coming from in the first few screenshots. I'm sure there really are a lot of "baby gamers" who are incredibly frustrating to have to deal with. Once I got to the Malaysian patreon supporter though... yeah **** the people in charge here.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:24 AM   #21899
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Aprtly Ninja recently announced that he was going to exclusively stream on the microsoft platform I don't know the name of. I have never watched a Ninja stream so I will not miss him, but am aware of who he is. Should I get mad that this stream I've never watched has gone to a platform I don't remember the name of? FWIW, I bet he is getting PAID to do this.
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Old 08-04-2019, 04:36 AM   #21900
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I personally do not blame the Ooblets people for going with the option that nets them the most money. The fact that they do not care at all that they are screwing over some of their fanbase, including patreon supporters, is mildly annoying however. I can see how someone who was supporting them would be upset.

Is it so much to say, "Sorry to those who supported us but cannot get the game at release, we had to take the best deal offered to us."

Calling someone "entitled" because they were giving money to support the company in the hope of getting the game they were working on, is ironically entitled... as well as obtuse. It's really not difficult to acknowledge that their decision negatively impacts some of their supporters and apologize to them.
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