I played the demo with a split screen locally. I don't know if you can join an online party with a split screen though.

A nice post, but I think it's going to take about a year before the servers start clearing out. This game certainly won't have the player base of CS or TF2, but in a month this game is probably going to still be growing, not fading (Christmas, etc.).

Also, re: controls, they play like a standard first person shooter for PC. I'm not sure what about the controls you find wonky. Literally everything about the controls is the same as almost every FPS I've played, and certainly like every Valve game. Fallout 3 has wonkier controls than L4D, imo.

9.0 on IGN

The nice thing about this game is, that it's easy to learn. I played the demo with my GF who wanted to try out shooters and she had a blast. We played it like 3 times on easy. So you just put the disc in and start shooting. Of course this takes away from "seriousness" and "realism" of other shooters and their little tactics and rewards for special skills like accuracy. But somehow I don't think that's the point in this game. It totally feels like an arcade shooter for the most part.

You're probably right technically speaking that more people will be playing this game in a month then are playing it now, but I would still say that this game's buzz will be quite short lived, at least in its console form.

As far as re: controls, they feel like a first person shooter from a few years ago.. before the advent of cover systems and the like. I mean, the way the characters move around and jump and aim and fire their weapons is very archaic. As far as the post above, sure this probably helps people who haven't played too many FPS games before, but I'm not that person and I'm guessing neither are you. This game doesnt seem to offer anything fresh in the way of gameplay mechanics that I would say havent been done before, or make up for the lack of depth in how the controls handle.

This game reminds me of Black for the PS2 (generic aim and fire mechanics, spray and pray), meets Gears of War Multiplayer (4 people team, recovering downed teammates etc), meets Dead Rising (Zombie enemies bov)... only the game lacks what makes all of those other games fundementally fun to play.

None of the characters seem to play any different, nor do the weapons provide much in the way of variance to how the game is played. (Pistols have unlimited ammo...COOL... ) This is exactly the kind of thing that I feel like new games coming out today shouldnt be guilty of. Give me a variety of weapons that I'm able to use in at least a couple ways, or some customization options, or atleast something new. I seriously laughed when I pulled up 'the scope' on the rifle. It looks like they spent about 10 minutes total on this weapon. The zooming in with a scope mechanic has been done a bunch of different ways in videogames over the years, and this example (a circular view surrounded by a black area) is poop. Nothing seperates it from its been done 50 times before, and its not even done very well.

Look at Gears of War for example.. they were able to come up with some genuinely fresh weapon ideas (chainsaw bayonet, grenades that you can smash into enemies, torque bow, orbital laser) and also include a new gameplay mechanic to make even standard weapons more fun to use, and allow for more depth in the game (active reload).

Based on the demo, and reading a couple reviews that have been written, it doesnt appear like the goals of the gameplay change a whole lot either.. ie, get from point a to point b. Again, I just dont see anything fresh coming from this game.

FPS are probably one of the most flooded genres in both the PC and Console world. Other then the setting in which this game takes place, which as I sort of mentioned I think was a good direction to take, and idea to start with, there isnt anything that this game does new or better then games which have been out for a year or more.

I wont spend any time or money playing this C-grade game, when there are more AAA FPS titles out there then I can shake a stick at. IMO.

Feel free to add me on steam if you want to play this game together. Name is roman375. Also, I'd like an invite to the 2+2 group.

I just reopened the two plus two group on steam. Just as long as there aren't any more spammers. Just search for "two plus two" in groups.

Chuck(les) thanks for reopening the group. Easier to play with people hopefully with it open. I've added anyone who said their Steam ID in this thread I think. Once I buy the game I wanna play with you guys. Hopefully I'm buying it in a couple days.

I wanna hear from Imrahil on the full version. He's been playing it all day it looks like. Haha.

Anyone feel free to add me to. I like the idea of getting to play with some people more than once, so I'm down for that.


Edit: 20Five, I have to run to class, but I'll read that post when I return. Glad to see you're not someone who freaks out in the midst of video game discussion. Too many like that around (though, I guess, not in this forum).

Cool, I'm interested to see where you stand.

I guess I'm kinda piling on Left 4 Dead as the concept (co-op gameplay ftw)and information leading up to this game had me pretty excited about its release. But as I said before as far as I'm concerned this is another example of a game that is entirely underwhelming, even though there was tons of hype and potential leading up to its release.

This game is sweet! Teamwork ftw.

Also the music is freeky deeky!

yes u can, just sign in for player 2 as guest and you are good to go.

20Five,

Did you play on expert at all? I feel like the spray and pray element drops out quit a bit on that level. There really needs to be tactics and teamwork, imo, and this is evidenced by the fact that the only times I've beaten the demo on expert (three) were with teams that worked really well together.

I also think that once versus mode gets in, it will only become more important for tactical teamwork with human controlled monsters. In fact, I think it should be damn near impossible on expert in versus mode 4v4.

I bring that up first, because I believe it to be where the real fun and challenge of this game is at. You're right about the aiming mechanics in many ways. It's CounterStrike with some slight upgrades (healing and helping teammates). But it's what works, so I don't think that it necessarily needs to be innovative either.

To be fair, I haven't played any Gears games or Army of Two, etc. I've been out of the gaming world for awhile until recently. So I don't know how much more effective they were regarding teamwork, but I can say that the weapons aren't TOO underwhelming. It's still a zombie game and, frankly, I wouldn't mind the realism of having only shotguns and pistols (definitely agree re: ammo. Kinda stupid it's unlimited). I wouldn't want a chainsaw bayonet, etc. It would take me out of the element.

That said, the sniper rifle does seem sort of like a pistol with a scope and this game would have definitely been enhanced, imo, by some sort of breathing element. LIke when you're almost dead your screen moves a little more and you'd have trouble with things like the sniper rifle, etc. I know this would annoy some gamers, but I'd be all for it.

It seems like maybe our differences do come from you being exposed to more games. However, that is somewhat tempered, I think, by the fact that there are tons of people absolutely in love with this game (presumably, many of them have played Gears, too). So I don't know.

Like I said, I don't necessarily want to defend the game or convince you it rules, but it really does seem like we agree on a lot, it's just more of a "deal breaker" for you than it is for me.

But the controls, for example, are similar to Fallout 3 in my opinion, and no one seems annoyed by that. So I dunno.

I think the replay value would dwindle for me, which is totally normal. I tend to play a game obsessively and then never touch it again. That said, after playing L4D and Fallout 3 11 hours each, I definitely am having trouble stopping in L4D (until demo ended) and Fallout 3 I'm okay taking a few days break from. I seriously wanna buy L4D now, even though I'd only have like an hour over the next couple days to play.

Anyone want to go in on the Left 4 Dead four pack? It is 150 for four copies. So it brings the cost down to 39$ per copy with tax.

I would do this in theory, but I don't know anything about how it works. I also wouldn't be the one to float 150. haha.

But yeah, assuming it's pretty easy and stuff. I'd ship someone $39 for the keycode.

PC?

yeah, over steam

nvm

i ****ing hate tanks.

need some tank tips please.

Versus mode is the nuts. Coordinated zombies awesome.

Been playing the campaign with bots just to get accustomed to the maps. Love the crescendo moments, (parts where you have to hold out until chopper arrives or elevator comes etc.), because they get your blood pumping. Only an hour or two spent online, waiting until I get a headset which is absolutely necessary. Is it me or is it almost impossible to win as survivors against human infected?

Also looked at the developer commentary. Sick how much thought and work they put into the game. They started in 2005 with CS: Source - a few guys versus 20 or 30 bots armed only with knives - and kept refining the game from there.

Wow, this makes perfect sense and explains SO MUCH about the gameplay and the general look and feel of the game.

I'll say more later when I have time but this game is sooooooooo awesome. I played a bunch yesterday and only saw one more level that the demo didn't have. Advanced is pretty hard, but I lucked out and joined 3 really cool guys and it was a ton of fun.


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this game is tittts

Molotovs, second tier weapons, spreading out, and I think I heard that when a tank knocks you down, don't shoot it while you're down so that it will attack someone else shooting it and someone else can revive you.

Hmm, I think that it somehow included the demo because I know there's no way I played 7 hours yesterday.