There hasn't been any in-game footage yet has there? Just cut scenes? Those do look pretty nice. I don't expect at all that the screen shots would be what it looks like. That seems WAY too good for even the most maxed out system and an expertly modded game. It'll be nice when it is though.

I'm not sure exactly what "hollywood rip-off/netflix/movie stealing pos" means and suspect that mine and Fly's posts may have gone over your head. However, I'm going to assume that your basic point is that GTA is largely satirical (I'm thinking that when you say "irony" you mean "satire") and you believe that I am criticizing elements for being banal or poorly done when in fact they are supposed to be banal or poorly done in order to make social commentary?

Yea, you're wrong.

First you're wrong that that sort of thing would go over my head. Second you're wrong about Rockstar being satirical geniuses. There are many satirical elements yes, but they're generally not all that clever or biting. They make criticisms of advertising and celebrity and Hollywood and violence and politics and the sexualization of children yes, but it usually has the subtlety of a sledgehammer and does not provide a particularly innovative or interesting viewpoint.

Are us PC gamers going to have to wait longer like last time, or will it be rdr all over again?

I've read PC won't be out for awhile after the release. But that was quite some time ago. Might've changed by now.

-sigh- you're still not getting it. Nevermind, you don't think GTA is good, should probs just stop posting here shouldn't you. I'm sure there's another COD around the corner for you.

Well it's obvious enough that Rockstar can't write original stories and their writing can't really compare to the movies/shows that influence them. However I still wouldn't call it awful or bad. I think they serve the purpose well and have improved with each game. MP3 is just Man on Fire and RDR is The Proposition but they are adapted well and make sense in relation to the gameplay. I thought 4's story was ok but I think it's biggest downfall is Niko the character. They try to portray him as someone with compasion etc but then have him go out and murder hundreds of people with no remorse. It doesn't fit the gameplay. At least with the expansions they kind of justify it by Johnny just being a mean dude and BOGT's genuinely over the top theme.

GTA 4's biggest complaint seems to be people finding the city dull and too much scripted gameplay. I can understand the city complaints considering San Andreas was huge, colourful and diverse while Liberty City is just one city with hardly any variation. However the attention of detail of 4 is insane and I still don't think any open world game has come close. I really liked the glum feel of the city. There are a few scripted parts that take a little control away from the player but people are acting like there was no randomness to missions at all and that's simply not true. Nearly every mechanic has been improved plus free roam with friends is still the best fun I can have online outside of free roam in RDR. I can understand not liking GTA 4 for a number of reasons but calling it a bad game is just flat out wrong.

You're comparing a mediocre game with a mediocre engine to one of the most impressive engines ever. Saint's Row 2 was a fun game but it was average at best at almost every thing it did. 3 was even worse and 4 looks lilke it should have been DLC for 3. Easy to put a bunch of customisation options when your draw distance is complete dog ****.

Getting what? I pretty much agree and thought the exact same as Baltimore Jones' entire assessment of your post. Guess I don't get it either, when's COD out?

his asessment of my post was "hurr durr, im not going interpret it correctly, ill jsut correct a word and blaa blaa blaa"

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analyzing GTA and looking mostly at its script/storyline is just the wrong way to look at GTA. Honestly, if you didnt like the trailers because of the scripting then you should stick to watching sit-coms where it actually matters.

I don't think people realise just what rockstar are trying to accomplish with GTA 5, 3 protaginists alone makes it 3x as large on the storyline/scripting aspect and on top of that the characters have to be brought together.

as for the game only going in one direction, if you'd have bothered to keep up with GTA updates, rockstar have been aiming at stepping away from this since day 1. 3 protaginists alone should aid this massively.

fwiw, i never bought gta 4, i played it a little and was very unimpressed so baltimore jones might be on the ball wrt gta 4 critiscisms but watching the trailers and worrying about scripting/storyline is just doing it wrong. The approach rockstar takes to writing the scripts/storyling suits GTA as a game.

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i lol'd at this again, perhaps its ur view of GTA 4, but none of the previous GTA's did this imo. there needs to be a flow to the game, leaving every single decisions up to the player would be a mistake.

massive amounts of nittery itt.

SR3 kind of went in a different direction, but SR2 is better than GTA4 at everything. Well, maybe not draw distance. I'll also give GTA4 the edge in litter modeling too, Liberty City certainly felt more "real".

But the nuts and bolts gameplay mechanics in GTA 4, like the missions, the mini-games, etc. GTA 4 made a ton of really terrible decisions. We can go back to the GTA 4 thread to review each individual failing(invincible bad guy chase misisons, money totally not mattering in the game but being the core of the plot, the handful of "decision points", no exploration benefit, etc.), but that SR2>GTA4 in retrospect is not that weird of a view.

So if SR is a mediocre game with a "mediocre engine"(??), well, then what's Rockstar's excuse for not being able to match SR's character/vehicle customization options? Most of the things SR does better aren't technically complex. The way new weapons and **** are parceled out through in game accomplishments so there's an incentive to do everything, the way the non-mission minigame content is actually fun, the way you have access to a garage full of awesome modded and/or custom cars instead of GTA's parking spaces...

Those are just decisions that Rockstar made poorly and Volition made well.

Do you guys think YouFaill has been on one giant bender including the time between his posts or that he crashed and then got super super high again?

That's still the plan but other people are speculating that there must be a PC version that's fairly far along, because the screenshots and trailers they've shown look too nice for a 360/PS3. Like that one with the plane earlier in this thread, unless the "spinning propeller" is just a pasted on texture and the game is at like 15 fps, it's totally insane. Makes Just Cause 2 look last gen.

Some game news websites are reporting that the PC version is available on preorder on some German retailer websites, but this usually means nothing from my experience as retailers will often post the wrong dates or game info or withdraw games from preorder completely.

If there is a PC version, and its likely that there will be at some point, I just hope they don't **** it up graphically like they did with 4.

lol im just a massive GTA fan boy (except gta 4 ldo) and cant really stand anyone talking badly about it especially when they completely miss what GTA is about.

GTA4 on PC was fine graphically, I just hope they don't **** up the driving camera making the game unplayable again.

Iirc the first version of the game made it so that even the best setup at the time (i7-9xx and 8800gtx sli I think) would only get something like 35fps at best, I think they fixed it after though.

can i ask what yous mean by "exploration benefit?"

im not looking forward to wasting tons of time swimming under water to find crap i wont even use. the guys in that video posted on the last page seemed to be psyched about it, and i cant figure out why. "oooh they added sharks" i guess.

wow^

you aren't excited to be able to scuba dive? have a huge underwater world to explore? or a mini-submarine to go underwater in?

Yeah a major drawback of RDR was that John Marston couldn't swim. I was worried that R* was moving away from swimming in their gameworlds. But no, looks like the water is just fine and they're diving back in! And this time you get to go underwater, how's that for immersion?

It's not that you have to waste time endlessly exploring. It's that IF you wander off and explore, cool **** should happen.

After playing GTAIV and GTA SA, I thought you could swim in VC. But nope. Not a fun way to find out.

no, just no. suppose the mini-sub could be cool, or even one of those things you hold onto and steer underwater that makes you move faster. like from the movie "the cave" lol. other wise, nah. they move to slow underwater.

i remember wasting like 3 straight hours in liberty city stories just finding ~70 of the hidden packages, and wanting to shoot myself afterwards. not a big fan of the exploration part. but i guess thats what he meant by exploration benefits.

This

and it's so easy to end up in the water if you're driving a bit too fast

also when you're on a boat and it's about to explode there's nowhere to go

SR's side stuff, like not the main missions but the ****ing around, lead to unlocking new weapons and cars and ****. You got money and filled your "respect" bar from doing **** as simple as driving dangerously.

GTA4's side stuff generally did not have any tangible gameplay result. If you found all 200 pigeons you got a free helicopter and your friends had various (questionably valuable) abilities if you kept them happy. But like driving a taxi or killing the "most wanted" guys didn't really do anything for you besides increase your completion percentage. This was a departure from previous GTAs, in SA you'd gradually increase your stock of free weapons at each safehouse and get new abilities like fireproof or whatever.

hmm.. i didnt do too many side missions in gta4. i kept all the friends happy, but wasnt even sure why i was doing it.

In Saint's Row you would do the side missions. Because Saint's Row gave you a reason to. And while this is making me sound like a SR fanboy, that **** was a pretty unique failure of GTA4.

San Andreas, Assassin's Creed, Far Cry, Mercenaries... all those games rewarded doing stuff with unlockables and new abilities. It's pretty standard for the genre. GTA 4 didn't.