Who do you pair Sissoko with at the other CDM spot?

Im not sure actually, its my nephews team.

I think for chem reasons he has Alonso as the other CDM(he has Di Maria RM)

Lloris

Pepe - Kaboul - Sakho

Alonso - IF Sissoko

Di Maria - Lavezzi

Tevez

Remy - Aguero


Sirigu

Dede - Chiellini - Ogbonna

Coutinho - Marchisio

Hulk - Giovinco

Pato

Di Natale - Cavani

Think these are right.
Obv there are a bunch of improvements to be made.


At CDM I just think workrates are the most important thing if you want them to keep it tight, you need lo/hi or med/hi, med/med can be ok, hi/hi can also if you are short of options.

For a EPL team I think SIF Fellaini and IF Sissoko are gonna be the 2 best by a long way, between them they have everything.

yaya/gerrard is the best CDM partnership in the PL imo
yaya with great strenght/tackling and decent passing/pace/ball-control and med/hi work-rate while gerrard has fantastic passing/shooting and good all-around play with high/high

IF sissoko has absymal passing stats which is a huge disadvantage at DM, with his high pace/shot power/strenght but average tackling stats he probably works best as a defensive-minded CAM(similar to prince boateng)

Bought SIF Fellaini and Van Persie last night. Like them both so far. Fellaini definitely doesn't have the long shooting of Gerrard, but his all around game is better. RVP is smoother than Rooney, but not as strong. Moved him to RS and Aguero to LS. Pretty strong. RVP has scored 8 in 5 games. His heading is frustrating though. Has so many chances and seems to finish way too few for a striker his size.

heard you talk about effectiveness alot ect ect

would this be "effective" or is it just **** pace abuse ?

I have to question if you believe anything you say or if you just post arguments for the sake of disagreeing with me...

Hi/Hi is not great at CDM, what this means is when you have a team pressed back the CDM with hi att WR will move up the pitch too high, often find him in the other teams box, whereas med or lo att WR he will hover just where you like him around the edge/ between the area and the half way line, perfect for rebuilding. If you want hi/hi, Ramires kills Gerrard. Gerrard cannot dribble for ****, and he has the turning circle of a lorry, hes sluggish and doesnt really stand out in any area other than passing and shooting, meaning hes not going to get in amongst people with pace and pressing, his defending is poor and he cant really dominate in the air.

What I really have to question though and the reason I said IDK if you mean what you say...

So his passing sucks so lets move him up to CAM, where he will need better passing, loooool

Abysmal passing btw, seems a strong word considering he has 76 short passing and 70 long. Seems like any passing stat could pull off a ten yard pass without problems but 76 would seem more than adequate IMO, def wouldnt call 76 Abysmal, neither would I call 70 long passing abysmal.



SIF Fellaini has 91 shot power and 91 long shots. You are right that thats not as good as IF Gerrard, but IF Gerrard has like 94 long shots and 99 power. Not much of a downgrade to make for all that other cool stuff... Heading, defending, interceptions, sprint speed, size etc.

At ST it sounds to me like you might find good use for Falcao, he does everything Rooney/RVP can do but then he has 5* weak foot, is killer in the air, agility and first touch are out of this world. If he had 90 pace he would be as expensive as Messi/Ronaldo IMO.

Buy him and sub him on for a few games and see how you like him, maybe then you might wanna rebuild around him or just keep subbing him on. Falcao/Aguero could possibly be GOAT front 2.


With RVP though, just shoot, lol, when I had him his shooting would get me out of so many dead ends, looking like Ive lost it, just shoot and he would find the net so often when he had no right to, lol

The 4 that stand out are Walcott, Lahm, Maxwell and Dantes. Obviously Lahm and Maxwell are only there for chemistry reasons but in my experience, Robben was absolutely awesome, but no way was he worth the compromise with the rest of the squad.

Walcott's WRs kill him. I just couldnt get on with him, and Ive had him at ST and at CAM in 4231, hated him both times.

Used Dantes and loved him at first but it was for his ability on the ball(IDK if its good stat wise but it felt good in play) Defensively I was expencting him to be a rock and he just wasnt, IDK if the WRs screwed him up or if it was his lack of pace.

When you only have 1 CDM, I dont think having hi att WR is a good idea.

Gustavo is very good though, might want to try him, then you could use Santana and a different RB(with more pace) and see if that works for Robben.

Another good way to get Robben involved but not lose out too much is to incorporate Gotze, I think hes pretty special on this, just that its hard to build a decent team with solid workrates around them. I hate Reus at ST, IF Klose is great but you then lack for a good ST who has pace and good WRs.


FWIW I recently gave Cazorla a run in CAM after going for more offensive minded guys, and it seems like his lack of attacking WR really suited, although I did have to adjust my style, work with him dribbling and probing passes and working spaces for shots, rather than being more direct like Ive been in the past, I did enjoy it though. i think CAM may be the only place where you dont need your player to have a specific "job" with his workrates.

When one dm sits back a lot (yaya) it is great when the other has high/high

DM is by far the most important passing position(lots of difficult diagonals, long balls, trough balls) while it is not too important at CAM(they either cut in and shoot or go wide and cross) and players like zarate with awful passing do fine there

An overall passing stat of 73 is absymal for DM, even low80 high70 passers like gustavo or ramires stand out like a sore thumb there

So this is the point where I go back through this thread to the multiple times when you have rejected my CAM suggestion based on his lack of passing ability.

I guess I just cannot win, lol

Also, Yaya is only mid 80 passing, I guess the extra couple of points make a world of difference?

I love Falcao, but building a 41212 hybrid around he and Aguero seems like giving up way too much at other spots. I'm gonna roll with the current lineup for a while. Upgrade my CBs when I have the coins for IF. Keep rolling over D1. And Fellaini is great, really. But his shooting doesn't "feel" close to Gerrard. He has more opportunities to shoot though, for sure. And I was using Gerrard for corners. Now with Santi doing them, Fellaini destroys corners.

Its almost cheating how good Fellaini is at corners. Whenever Im lined up vs him I hate it.

Realistic though I guess.


Did you say you were PS3? Im down for a few games if you are interested, could be a lot of fun.

Might be a problem for chemistry but Cazorla >> Mata because the latter has only 3* weak foot. Yaya, Fellaini or even Tiote are better than Ramires at DM for me. Haven't used ST Walcott but NIF on the right-wing has an atrocious touch, I like Suarez' combination of quickness strength and finishing.

I forgot to mention WRT that team that every player in your team except Silva and Mata have Hi att WR, obv Mata will never be in a defensive position anyway so its going to be a nightmare with a back 4 where your full backs push up and you CB + CDM have hi att WR.


So from my WR effectiveness standpoint(which I think is what you were asking), its pretty damn horrible/couldnt be much worse.

Obv a sick line up though, but the entire point I was making with that was that fitting players in with key attributes and roles for positions is far far more effective than just having 11 sicko players. IMO anyway, I have over 800 games of Div 1 to draw from and used pretty much all top players though.

Cam =! Cam

central cams(or cf) need good passing, wide Cams do not

Xbox. Jwaxer.

Cashy, that's complete opposite IMO. 4231 CAMs need passing/crossing/pace. 41212 CAMs need short passing/agility/balance/dribbling

Wide cams for the most part either cross or go for goal while central cams are far more involved in passing(link-up and trough-balls)

Just for further clarification then, which one were you suggesting would be best for IF Sissoko?

Dont answer that...

I love how you say something then go to lengths to defend it rather than just admit its wrong, lol

I can explain away most of your views because you play a different style to most, but Ive spent a good amount of my games playing a similar style, and what you are saying now makes no sense at all, and even less sense WRT your play style.

You started out by saying Sissoko isnt one of the best EPL CDMs, and youve ended up taking him to CAM because his passing isnt good enough for CDM, then claiming CAMs dont need passing when in the past youve insisted its imperative. Now youre saying wide CAM vs central CAM. Its all BS, but you dress it up nice. Im not sure on what planet having a strong hi def WR, med att WR CAM with "abysmal" passing is going to be a success.

You claim his passing is abysmal, I point out his stats, you then claim that high 70's and low 80's passing is poor, so I check out the CDM you claimed was the best and his passing is around 85, 2-3 points higher than "poor". Rather than just admit you may have got your estimation wrong to begin with. In reality mid 80's passing is pretty good, 80 is solid and 75+ is likely adequate, but I dont expect you would agree with that and go against what you said. Not until next week when you make another rando statement that contradicts this one.


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My nephews came over this week and we played a few games, they are poor players but have reached Div 1. They play so direct, dont use precision/skill dribbling, cant use skill moves or even fake shots, their game is so simplistic and direct. I sit watching them and I cant believe how they ever score goals but they do, the opponent seems to just let them through. I was poking fun at how bad they are and they just span it around on me saying I go the long way round and theres no need to build up so slowly. They said "just pass it up to your striker, move into space and shoot"

I would consider myself miles ahead of them, yet they can get results in such a simplistic manner. Good evidence of the amount of variance EA has introduced to the game. Im probably not explaining it too well, you have to see the difference in my game vs their game to understand, but its truly eye-opening.

Great or Greatest? Bale is outta position for some reason :/

lol career mode

writing 5 pages does not change the fact that low 70ies passers just dont cut it at DM because they will end up giving the ball away a ton in transition which is the most deadly thing in football(and fifa) and a huge no-no

DLP(xavi/pirlo/xabi) coupled with a good defensive player with acceptable passing(yaya/de rossi) is by far best

I snap sold luiz gustavo(better passing than IF sissoko) because he was awful in possession

if you cant see the difference between a wide cam in the 4231(plays like a winger) and a normal cam in a 41212(plays like a play-maker) then lol at you

This is getting old and is corrupting the thread, but I cannot resist pulling you on what I think is you spouting BS just to back up a previous lol-statement.

Yesterday low 80 passing was poor, today low 70 "wont cut it". Thats about as close to you admitting you over-estimated as we are going to get I guess. Incase you disagree still, go and check all the top CDMs in the game for their passing stats, Im done doing the donkey work only for it to be ignored.

Wide CAM, central CAM, who really cares? Sissoko would be horrible in both of those roles but you just wont admit it was a ******ed thing to suggest. He has med att WR and hi def WR, he has non of the attributes of a good CAM or winger, only pace(which isnt really exceptional for that position). Rather than just admit your initial lol-statement was ******ed, you spout more BS to back it up or twist it. The latest being "lol at you if you cant tell the difference". My grandmother knows the difference FFS. Knowing the difference between wide and central is irrelevant as both positions require good passing ability. You have said so ITT many many times. You have rejected using Aguero(to pick just 1 example I can remember off the top of my head) as CAM because of his lack of passing ability. IIRC I was suggesting he be used as a wide CAM too. I could go through this thread and quote a million times where you have said that Silva/Mata/Cazorla>>>>>Aguero/Podolski at wide CAM.

I think you just like to disagree with me, and spout any old nonsense you dont truly believe just to achieve that. It has to be that, you contradict yourself over and over and the only thing you gain from it is to keep up your side of a ******ed argument.

I consider my suggestions to be solid for the majority of players(otherwise I wouldnt suggest them right). You arent in the majority play style wise so many of your suggestions dont work for most and you likely wont like other peoples recommendations. For example you just suggested a Xavi/Pirlo type CDM, well Ive used Xavi/Pirlo/Modric at CDM and I hated them all. But I dont come ITT telling you to use them at CB or that their stats are "abysmal", thats pointless, people will try players out and decide for themselves. Those guys work for you so obviously you are going to advise others to try them.





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I went 7-0-1 for my 3rd title in a row. Im 21-1-1 now. Either FIFA got soft, Im on a huge heater or something clicked for me. Much like poker, you always feel like its on you when you are on a heater, the reality is you still suck but youre on a heater. I await the EA doomswitch.

Played 1 game vs silvers and it felt my guys were inferior in every way. I got the win but something messed up was def going on. I went 2-0 down and it wasnt looking good at all, my guys couldnt string 2 passes together.

Sissoko at CAM definitely sounds ******ed. In 2 DM systems I like to have at least one with very good passing stats (like a Gerrard changed to CDM) and at least one beastly destroyer like Toure/Fellaini. I don't think a high 70's passing CDM is a problem at all. Yeah you can't afford to give the ball away a lot right there, but ime CDM passing is usually pretty straight forward. Mostly short/mid-range passes to transition. Idk if some of you try to holllywood it out from the back like starfish every time, but it's not something that seems very necessary.

Javi Garcia is very good at CDM in the 2-CDM formations

you are such a clueless clown and always act like you are the know it all,
your "you just wont admit you are wrong" line is beyond ******ed

IF sissoko has great acceleration(88) and strenght(88) with good all-around stats and 96 shot power(!) while having lolbad passing, average tackling and pretty bad positioning
far better suited to CAM(similar to boateng)

and yes i disputed Aguero as CAM and said Silva is the far better choice in a 41212 due to superior passing stats, like i said 4231 cam is far different to 41212 cam and if you cant see that you just confirm you cluelessness(i have used aguero as 4231 cam myself)